Brit-Am DNA and Anthropology Updates
26 March 2010 11 Nissan 5670
1. Question About Marrano
(Spanish-Jewish) Ancestry and British Isles DNA Correspondences
2. Turks of Turkey are not Really Turks!!
Population history and substructure of Anatolia and Turkey as evidenced by
3. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Queries and Remarks re DNA and the King of Egypt
4. Australian Aborigines DNA
5. The Y (male) haplogroups
1. Question About
(Spanish-Jewish) Ancestry and British Isles DNA Correspondences
Ailton daSilva wrote:
My Name is Ailton Barros,
Some time ago i felt on me to understand what about the shofar, i bought one
and start to learn because i did like the 4 traditions sounds. And then i
found that Jewish use the tallit to play and i went to get one and start to
study what about the Num chapter15:37, and then a just decide to go ahead and
install the Jewish David Star on and in all over my house because i felt
tremendous love for Israel people.I Decide to go ahead and learning about the
Scriptures and i found the Isaias chapter 43 saying that " All the Sons of
Israel should one day go Back). every thing seems to come to me till the time
a heard that once in my family that is from Portugal and migrated to Brazil
was at once Jewish. I felt some thing really strong inside me because was just
kind to understand that " Is in my blood) and my blood was calling me for it
and i new that G-D had some thing in special for me. I went to get DNA test
and results saying that all my family is from the earliest settles people of
Western Europe (Peninsula Iberian and all most my ancestral is living today
on Britain Islands as England,Scotland,Ireland, and some large numbers they
don't even know where that come from( Origin Unknown), so was kind to
understand that because my family was registered as Jewish family entering in
Brazil and can find many people of my name Barros as Jewish people including
some was on the List for inquisition order by the catholic Church if not
accept the Catholic Faith on that time, and many of may people was living as
Cript-Judeo in Portugal.So i ask this for the DNA Genealogist and they told me
that one of my GGGGFather could be Jewish because we can find some ashkenazi
roots on my blood but not exactly match just because they said the Name Barros
was too old living in the Western Europe which makes from Western Europe. So i
don't want to look on the science to decide my Faith on my G-D, today i fell
as Jewish .Could you help me to understand that ?........regards....
ailton bar ros
Your letter tells us that your family was descended from Jews who had to pretend
to be Catholics in order to escape the persecution, torture, and death
that prevailed in those times. The children of the Jewish community in Portugal
were forcibly baptized and their parents had to follow in their steps.
Many people such as yourself amongst Latin-Hispanic nations are now awakening to
their Jewish ancestry.
You took a DNA test and this showed connections with people in the British
Isles. This is a known phenomenon. Many of the Marranos (descendants of Jews in
Spain and Portugal who were forced to convert) have DNA results similar to those
of "Gentile" families in Scotland and Ireland.
The similarity of Marrano DNA to people in the British Isles (London in England
is also a center for this phenomenon) is far higher than that which pertains
amongst Gentiles in the Iberian Peninsula.
We relate to DNA as some kind of combination between the environment and
Unfortunately we cannot say much more than that. We simply do not know.
2. Turks of Turkey are not Really
Population history and
substructure of Anatolia and Turkey as evidenced by craniofacial diversity.
NORIKO SEGUCHI et al.
Female crania show a distinctness with modern groups and are actually more
similar to Neolithic European and Near Eastern populations. This would indicate
a relatively stable female population in Anatolia since Neolithic times. Male
crania are more heterogeneous and cluster within a larger geographic zone of
Eurasia and the Near East consistent with greater male migration. There is
little support for admixture from Central or East Asian groups. These results
support the hypothesis for a Turkic language displacement with insignificant
3. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Queries and
Remarks re DNA and the King of Egypt
[ Brit-Am Note: For editorial reasons we have amalgamated two separate
letters from Charlotte.]
re The Lost Ten Tribes and DNA
I have been following your DNA section quite closely. Just recently, I received
the info from National Geography Geno project. They had my Grandfather's line
coming out of Africa into the Middle East then north then across to western
Europe. It was very general. They say there are more of his haplo-group in
Ireland but per population the greater percentage were from Spain.
They had more people with this haplo group in Ireland but they had many more
people tested in Ireland than they do from Spain. That means they had a greater
number there but the percentage was lower because of the few in number compared
to the number tested. However, even though they had fewer people with that haplo
group in Spain percentage wise it was greater than the number in Ireland because
Spain had fewer people tested. I don't know if that could be an indication that
they were in Spain before they got to Ireland. Also my grandpa's family were
from Switzerland and the only other ones in his haplo from there are more
What I don't understand about this is why the center of the dispersion was not
in the fertile crescent going into Africa as well as the other directions.
Then your article about King Tut was really interesting but also confusing.
Grandpa's haplo group is exactly the same as King Tut. So it looks like there
has been no change in the 4000 years since King Tut existed and now. Is this why
the Geno project makes enormous numbers of years between ancestors and change. I
can't understand why a plain R1b would not be earlier then and R1b1b2 because of
the description of how it all works.
I do believe that the tests are probably reliable but the analysis is still out
in left field. I know once scientist start in one direction on analysis, they
seldom want to reverse what they think they found and re-analyze it.
I hope to do some more hunting about DNA. Are there other ancient mummies,bones
that have been found in other parts of the world and also have had their DNA
tested? It seems this would indicate a better basis for establishing where
people come from.
If you look at the Wikipedia Article on R1b you will find that what is
considered an early type of R1b is indeed found amongst some African
# R1b* (that is R1b with no subsequent distinguishing SNP mutations) is
extremely rare. Two cases were reported in a large study of Turkey. In a
study of Jordan it was found that no less than 20 out of all 146 men tested
(13.7%), including most notably 20 out of 45 men tested from the Dead Sea
area....an equally surprising 14 out of 26 (54%) of Sudanese Fulani ...#
R1b1b2 is the predominant DNA haplogroup in Western Europe. It used to be
assumed that it somehow evolved in Spain.
It is now acknowledged that R1b (the parent type) originated in the Middle East
Region of which the Land of Israel is a part.
It now seems that R1b1b2 originated in the Middle East and only later moved
DNA study of ancient remains for the male YDNA chromosome is apparently
extremely difficult and expensive. It is also uncertain or was until recently.
That is why there are so few YDNA reports of ancient remains. The recent
examination of the remains of King Tut was an exception and something of a
scientific -technological breakthrough. That is an additional reason (apart from
the obvious historical implications) that it aroused so much interest.
Female mtDNA is apparently farm ore stable and far easier to examine on ancient
We, in BAMAD, Brit-Am DNA and Anthropology Updates, are usually up-to-date with
the latest developments.
4. Australian Aborigines DNA
Could not find much concrete information about the haplogroups of
Based on the Y DNA Map at:
60% C, 25% K, 10% R#
Based on the Y DNA Map at:
mtDNA N 60% 30% P
Y DNA #Haplogroup
C being found at high frequency among the Australian aborigines, Polynesians,
Vietnamese, Kazakhs, Mongolians, Manchurians, Koreans, and indigenous
inhabitants of the Russian Far East and at moderate frequencies elsewhere
throughout Asia and Oceania, including India and Southeast Asia.
K1, K2, K3 and K4 are found only at low frequency in South Asia, the Malay
Archipelago, Oceania, and Australia.
However, most of the rare forms of
R chromosomes, as well as most cases of the closely related
Q, are found among populations of Central Asia, South Asia, Australia, Siberia,
Native Americans, and Cameroon.
Some instances of Haplogroup
R* have been reported from samples of Australian aboriginal populations.
The N type consists of everyone else, including nearly all Europeans, West
Asians, North Africans, and Australian aborigines as well as many East Asians,
South Asians, Amerindians (containing a majority of north and central
Amerindians and a minority of south Amerindians), and Polynesians.
In contrast, the varieties of the N group that do not belong to the R group
contain the majority of Australian aborigines, the majority of north and central
Amerindians, and some East Siberians.
Kumar led the extraction and analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)
from nearly 1,000 individuals from Indian relic [primitive aboriginal-like
tribes in central and eastern India] populations. For comparison, they used
Australian Aboriginal DNA data that had already been analyzed and published by
colleagues. After comparing the two groups, they came to a startling conclusion:
two specific genetic mutations on the
of the Indian and aboriginal samples matched perfectly. Not only that, but these
particular mutations do not exist elsewhere in the world; they are shared
exclusively between a few isolated tribes in India and native Australians.
the DNA of more than 120 Aboriginal people and compared it with the DNA of
indigenous people in the region, including Papua New Guinea, Malaysia and the
Andaman Islands off the coast of India.
A Sydney scientist, Sheila van
said her team found the Aboriginal people could be grouped into five genetic
or super families, that were very distinct from their regional
The most ancient lineages, two super families dubbed A and B, were widespread
across Australia. People living in western NSW and the north of the country
belonged to super family C, while people in central Australia belonged to the D
and E groups.
As expected, very ancient connections with people in India, South-East Asia and
were evident in the DNA of the Aboriginal people.
The C and E groups, for example, shared a genetic similarity with a super family
known as P.
#- Analysis of genetic distance between population groups puts Aboriginals
genetically closer to Europeans than either are to Africans#
5. The Y (male)
The very rough overlaps between Y-DNA haplogroups and mtDNA haplogroups are as
Y-DNA haplogroup(s) mtDNA haplogroup(s) Geographical area and/or peoples
A L0, L1 South Africa, Khoisan
B L2 Pygmies and related people
E1, E2, E3a L3 Sub-Saharan Africa, especially the Bantus
NO/N/O CZ/C/Z, D, G (M types) East Asia, Siberia
K, M (M9-positive, M45-negative) R, P (N types), Q (M type) as well as various
Oceanian-specific M subclades Oceania
R, I, J HV/H/V, JT/J/T, U/K (N types) Europe, West Asia
Q A, X, Y (N types), C, D (M types) Easternmost Siberia, the Americas
This was the entry for Europe, West Asia:
R, I, J HV/H/V, JT/J/T, U/K (N types)
It suggests that YDNA haplogroups R, I, J my be somehow related
and may be important in determining an environmental factor in determining DNA
or else an Assyrian "Sennacherib" effect i.e. deliberate confusion of the races
in the distant past by some imperial power.
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