Discussion Concerning Tithes.
Answers to P.J. Rieke:
P.J. Rieke made some very interesting and pertinent remarks above. His recommendations concerning maps etc will probably eventually be enacted
since it corresponds with an intention we already had. Other matters will be consdiered or replied to elsewhere.
This series of replies to our Questionairre is not intended to be a forum for debate though we are always open to discussion.
There were however a few points made by P.J. Rieke we considered worth replying to here:
P6. PJ said:
# I don't remember Moses asking for
"contributions" from Israel to sponsor his attempt in requesting Pharaoh to
let Israel go. I do understand
BritAm has needs, but the
proper avenue to have those needs met, is primarily through the Father. #
Brit-Am Reply:
Moses instituted that all Israelites should give at least one-tithe (if not more
through trumah, etc) of their income to the Levites of which he was part. Moses
did not tell the Levities to ask the Father for sustenance. He commanded the
rest of Israel to sustain them!
The Levites were entrusted with communal service of a religious nature. Brit-Am
is in a similar position.
As far as I know you have never made an offering to Brit-Am.
If you ever were to do so your criticism might by more palatable.
Wikipedia.
Tithe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe
The sons of
Aaron were appointed to be priests and the tribe of Levi were appointed to
minister to the priests and help in sacred matters (Numbers 18:1-7). The
Children of Israel were commanded by God to give
Bikkurim
(first-fruits of fields and flocks) Numbers 18:11-24 and
Terumah
(gift offerings) Exodus 25:1-27 to the
kohanim
(priests) and tithes to the sons of Levi (Levites -
Leviim).
...As to the tithe offerings, the
Leviim
were commanded by God to give a tithe (a tenth) of the tithes they received to a
priest. Numbers 18:26.
P8. PJ criticized:
# the [Brit-Am] attitude
that all of Israels'
potential "spirituality" is to be measured and exampled in Judaism. #
Brit-Am Reply:
We see your point BUT you should also see ours.
For us Judaism is not merely an evolution of the Hebrew Bible. It is the Hebrew
Bible. The Sages (e.g. Maimonides) allow Religious Jews to debate and discuss
Biblical matters with Christians but not with atheists or Muslims. It is assumed
that basically Christians accept the truth of the Hebrew Bible even though they
add something of their own on to it.
P.J.
Rieke
wrote us answering:
Also, this tithing was done,
minimally, "three times in the year" and given to the Tribe of Levi (Aaron IS
of Levi). Again: "If the efforts of
BritAm
are sanctioned by our Heavenly Father, then
BritAm
should be more interested in their direct appeal to Him. After all, He IS the
Source for meeting all of our needs". That does not mean Brit-Am can not ask
for monetary support from it's audience, but the brunt of your requests should
be "leaned on", i.e., "asked of" the Heavenly Father.
Brit-Am Reply:
Before answering you, we should clarify matters.
In ancient times one tenth of the produce went to the Levites.
Another tenth was the property of the producer BUT had to be eaten in Jerusalem
as did one tenth of all new-born animals.
This was in order to encourage Israelites to dwell in Jerusalem (where food
would have been plentiful and cheap) and also that as many families as possible
would support at least one of their members learning Torah full time in
Jerusalem.
See our mini-article:
The Full-Time Torah-Warriors of Israel
Today.
http://www.britam.org/Kings/2Kings12.html#The
Jacob (i.e. the forefather Israel) himself had undertaken to tithe:
[Genesis 28:22] And this stone
which I have set as a pillar shall be God's house, and of all that You give me I
will surely give a tenth to You.
Nowadays, there is no commandment to give a tenth of one's income to work of the
Almighty or to charity etc.
Nevertheless, many religious Jews do take it upon themselves as an obligation.
At least one opinion says that Gentiles should as well since we find that
Abraham gave one tenth (Genesis 14:20) to Melchizedek, King of Salem
(Jerusalem) " the priest of God Most High" (Genesis 14:18).
Even so, most authorities would agree that today it is not really a duty though
many take it upon themselves as such.
There is a commandment to give charity. How much is up to the individual.
At the same time all seem to agree that tithing is a worthy practice and that
the promised blessings are still in effect.
The Prophet Malachi spoke of this concerning the obligatory tithing of produce.
Most seem to agree that the blessing promised by Malachi also applies to the
tithing of income in general.
Malachi 3:
8 Will a man rob God?
Yet you have robbed Me!
But you say,
'In what way have we robbed You?'
In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse,
For you have robbed Me,
Even this whole nation.
10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,?
Says the LORD of hosts,
'If I will not open for you the windows of heaven
And pour out for you such blessing
That there will not be room enough to receive it.
To whom should tithes be given?
In our opinion each Israelite in our generation should tithe. Tithes should be
given to whomsoever you consider officiates of the Almighty though in some cases
any charity in general or even needy family members may also qualify. We are not
trying to decide for you.
Brit-Am also considers itself to be doing a good service for the benefit of all
Israel and so should receive consideration.
P.J.
Rieke
said:
In
todays'
attempt to accomplish tithing, many are of the innovation that money has
somehow been sanctioned by Scripture to take the place of the tithe. As laid
down in Scripture, that opinion could not be further from the truth. If anyone
gives money to a legitimate, functioning priest of Levi, the most they have
accomplished is to have given a freewill gift, or as stated in Scripture, a
freewill offering.
Brit-Am Reply:
Not so. The freewill offerings were in addition to the tithes. You
quoted from Moses as not asking for money. We replied that according to the Law
of Moses the giving of the equivalent of money (i.e. in those days agricultural
produce) was obligatory.
You are now bringing up other matters which we have answered in our Preamble
above.
P.J.
Rieke
said:
P.S.: When did
Wikipedia
become a "clearing house" for doctrinal issues (the "set apart" tithe and the
Priesthood) best explained by the Word of the Father? Isn't that analogous to
mixing linen (Word of the Father) with wool?
Wiki
is a bought and paid for, unclean, crass, secular mouthpiece of opinion,
accomplished through innovations, those innovations NOT sanctioned by the
Fathers' Word. I concede they have their place for some things, but not the
issues of doctrine involving the Priesthood (of Levi or otherwise) of the
Father, much less the correct, Lawful methods of Scriptural tithing. That's
what Scripture is for.
Brit-Am Reply:
We quoted Wikipedia as summarization of the main points with the relevant
sources.
We do not care what Wikipedia may or may not be, it was the brief reference to
pertinent Biblical sources that concerned us.
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