Brit-Am Now no. 1194
Date 25 Tammuz 5768 28 July 2008
Contents:
1.
Askarbek
Mambetaliev:
The Khazars
and Turkish Groups
2. Bob Davis: Crusaders from Ten Tribes Lost Opportunity by Rejecting Judah?
3. Thomas Gray: The Fantasy of Evolution Leads to Racism!
4. "Khazars".
The Book Cover: Criticisms and Kudos
(a) Would Prefer alternative symbols
(b) "not up to your usual standards"
(c) Priscilla Reid:
Hearty Agreement with Dave Browning and Kudos to Estelle
5. Zionism: More Brit-Am Sources and Answers to Queries
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1.
Askarbek
Mambetaliev:
The Khazars
and Turkish Groups
From: oscar@arunet.kg
Dear Yair,
I would like a comment about Khazars. As you know, the current Central
Asian Turkic Speaking nations assemble a conglomerate of different
"dialects" or "tribes", which were spread all over the Siberia, Ural
and Caucasus, and off course the current northern Central Asia. While
some of those tribes have become individual nation states like
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, some of them are
still be a subject of ethnically different nations, for example
Khakasia (Russia), Gagauz (Moldova). From my recent trip to Hungary, I
found there another turkic group called the Kipchaks (Kunsak in
Hungarian), who have been assimilated by Armenians, Georgians and
Russians as well. There were of course Khazars, who have disappeared
from history. However, I want emphasize here, that those tribes with
the suffix ys, az, uz, as, derive from the same family of OGUZ, which
probably meant tribes. Turkmens are also have such tribes, while
Turkish have lost their Central Asian identities due to the great mix
with Europeans, whom they conquered prior to the Ottoman Empire.
Another point is that prior to Islam, Oguz tribes assimilated Jews and
were tolerant towards them.
Best wishes,
Askarbek Mambetaliev.
2. Bob Davis: Crusaders from Ten Tribes
Lost Opportunity by Rejecting Judah?
From: Bob Davis <bdavis@paxkom.net>
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1193
#1. Dave Browning:
"Identity" racism and anti-semitism: "a disease of intellect"
http://britam.org/now/1193Now.html#Dave
Dear Yair,
Dave Browning raises an interesting point about the Crusades, "Think of it,
if we had established Israel then..." I agree, It is horrible what the
Crusaders did to the Jews and pretty much everyone else who opposed them,
but who were they? They were led by the royal houses of Europe, almost all
of whom trace their ancestry to King David. They were Normans, Saxons,
Scots, French, Danish, etc. These are all peoples that Britam associates
with the lost Israelite tribes. In essence, the Crusaders were Israel
returning to recapture the lands of their forefathers, although they
probably did not realise it having forgotten their original identity. The
new kingdom they created lasted for about 200 years. Watch the film
"Kingdom of Heaven" to see how they lost Jerusalem.
Regards
Bob Davis
3. Thomas Gray: The Fantasy of Evolution Leads to Racism!
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1193
http://britam.org/now/1193Now.html#Dave
#1. Dave Browning:
"Identity" racism and anti-semitism: "a disease of intellect"
One factor that should be duly noted as strongly influencing racism is the
philosophy of evolutionism, usually called the "theory of evolution". This does
two major things in our society:
(1) It gives quasi-scientific support to the idea that there exist partly animal
sub-humans.
(2) It casts doubt on the veracity of the Bible. For example, once you doubt
that God really created all things in six days, as Exodus 20:11 says, or that
the Flood of Noah was world-wide, then it is super easy to brush over Genesis
4:1, which says that Cain was the son of Adam and Eve.
If there were no evolutionism, there might exist a whole lot of hatred, but
there would be no racism to use to attempt to justify it. I have been very
disappointed in how many Jews and Christians are content to let evolutionism go
unchallenged.
A final note: Evolutionism did not start with Charles Darwin. It started as
long as 2500 years ago, and was put into a coherent expression by Lucretius
Carus 2050 years ago.
Thomas Gray.
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Brit-Am Comment:
You have a point.
Even "idendity" Racists who profess to be "fundamentalists" and claim to believe
in the Bible are not beyond quoting "evolutionary" theory when it suits them.
Quite a few of the scientists who occupy themselves with race and evolution have
racist prejudices and promote them.
I myself am interested in anthropology and "racial" distinctiveness etc so I try
and keep update with current opinions and I come across racism all the time.
Within limits I even have a certain tolerance towards it yet still find often
find it offensive.
It is natural that believers in the Bible who also have intellectual
inclinations will want to get along with academics.
We would like to agree with them. It is difficult to go against the mainstream
all the time. Often they are right and have valuable points of view but
sometimes their prejudices are so blatant and distasteful that one is obliged to
disassociate from them as much as possible.
4. "Khazars".
The Book Cover: Criticisms
(a) Would Prefer alternative
symbols
Dear Yair,
I humbly request that in place of the occultist Star of Solomon symbol, that
it be replaced with either the harp or the menora-candelabra.
There is such an ongoing debate on the subject of the Khazars. When will
the book be ready for shipment?
Sincerely ... Nickie
In God we trust
2Ch 7:14 If MY people, which are CALLED BY MY NAME,
shall HUMBLE themselves, and PRAY, and SEEK my face,
and TURN from their wicked ways;
THEN will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal (Strong's H7495 thoroughly make whole) their land.
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Brit-Am Reply:
The symbol we use has six points. It is the Star of David.
This symbol is associated with the Jews more than anything else.
The Star of Solomon symbol has five points.
The Star of Solomon itself has a long history.
In recent times it has become associated with occultism and satanism.
There is a limit however as to how much we can allow others to appropriate
simple
geometric patterns to themselves and thus bar as from using them.
A cross is one of the simplest patters possible but is not almost universally
associated with
Christianity.
A swastika was once also a common symbol found all over the world.
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia has a photo of an early synagogue excavated in
the Land of Israel
with a swastika decorative pattern. In the early 20th century right-wing racist
groups began to adopt
it and then it was taken up by the Nazis. Now it is still associated with the
Nazis and is offensive.
These are examples of geometric designs that have acquired acknowledged symbolic
significance
but we do not have to allow such "monopolies" of design to spread.
The menorah design was an alternative.
Historically the menorah symbol was used by the Khazars and is found on Khazara
tombstones
etc.
We are going with what we have however, at least for the moment.
See the following entry for more on this matter.
As for when will the book be ready?
We hope to present it to the Printer shortly and after that it should not take
too long.
We are making a pre-publication offer in order to raise money that we need for
the printing
and for other matters connected with the book and with Brit-Am in general.
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(b) "not up to your usual standards"
[Paraphrased from a verbal communication.]
I think your proposed cover is not up to your usual standards.
You could do better. I have not read the book but what relevance do the proposed
symbols have to the content? You are depicting Scottish bagpipes
and the Star of David in Yellow with the word "Juif" ("Jew" in French) written
on it.
Where do the Khazars fit in? Chaim.
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Brit-Am Reply:
A cover does not necessarily have to reflect all of the contents;
An interesting aspect of what is contained therein is sufficient.
It should be attractive and catch the eye.
The present cover does that as well as arouse curiosity which is what we want.
The Khazars did have some connection to the Scottish as we elaborate upon within
the book.
The Khazars became Jews, real Jews, the kind who were later despised and
persecuted for their religion.
This is an aspect of being "Jewish" or becoming "Jewish" as the Khazars did that
should not be denied.
They were once a powerful people with an impressive empire but became part of
the Oppressed Lamb of Israel.
This is what the Yellow Star of David with the word "Juif" upon it reflects.
Even this unfortunate aspect of Jewish existence had a nobility and beauty of
its own
which the star shows.
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(c) Priscilla Reid:
Hearty Agreement with Dave Browning and Kudos to Estelle
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1193
http://britam.org/now/1193Now.html#Dave
#1. Dave Browning:
"Identity" racism and anti-semitism: "a disease of intellect"
Shalom Yair,
I find I must let Davey Browning know that there is hearty agreement
with his comments in your last letter. Well said, Sir!
Also I want to say that Ivery much like the color of the new book's
cover, and everything about it, actually. So kudos are in order for
Estelle Schutte as well.
All the best, always,
Priscilla Reid
5. Zionism: More Brit-Am Sources and
Answers to Queries
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesZionism.html#Arab
(5. Jews in Arab Lands. How were they
really treated?
It is frequently stated that the Arabs treated the Jews well during the Middle
Ages
compared to how the Jews were treated in Christian Europe.
Is this true?
(6. Where did the term "Palestine" come
from?
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesZionism.html#term
(7. Is Jordan "Palestine"?
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesZionism.html#Jordan
(8. You have referred to certain
Left-Wing supporters of the Palestinians as "Nazi Arab Lovers"!
Can you justify such an extreme description?
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesZionism.html#referred
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