Brit-Am Now no. 1268
December 14th 2009, 19 Kislev 5768
Contents:
1. Bo Ronn: Sea-Faring Goths
2.More Linguistic Evidence that the Scandinavians Came from Scythia?
3. Objection to Brit-Am Khazar Studies?
4. Avraham ben Gad: Agrees with Tessa
5. Yet Another Khazar Book Title Change
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1. Bo Ronn: Sea-Faring Goths
From: Bo Ronn <boronn@netmail.mu>
Subject: Anglo-Saxons & Seafaring Goths. Sea Gates of Scandinavia. / Bo Ingvar Ronn
Good Day Yair Davidiy,
Whilst searching the Internet I found an interesting article by David Burns regarding The Continental Homelands of the Anglo-Saxons and the origin of the legendary Beowulf.
The article is about the influence of the Goths (Svear & Gotar) among the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Britain.
See: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_1643_281/ai_96210739
Below are some of my own thoughts, gained by observations and experiences from the northern seas. It is the seagoing capabilities of the old Goths in my thoughts, rather than the migrations.
Seafaring among the old Goths must have been the most convenient way of travelling between spring and autumn when the waters are ice-free and the nights are short and bright, which makes navigation easier. The seas inside Skagerrak are also protected by land on all sides. In bad weather a ship is rarely too far from land to find shelter.
Braviken (58.6 N & 16.8 E) is a region that can represent both Svealand and Gotaland. A long ship setting sail from Braviken could be in Oresund, near what is today Copenhagen, in about 3.5 days. After voyaging another day the ship would reach Skagen (N-tip of Jut-Land). If the wind was favourable at Skagen the ship could cross the North Sea and arrive at Lowestoft in Britain after 4 days. In brief, a long ship could in fair weather sail from Svealand / Gotaland in the Baltic Sea and reach Britain in about 8.5 days. In these examples I have calculated with a total average speed of 5 knots (9.3 km/hr).
If the ship had sailed and sometimes rowed with a total average speed of 2.7 knots (5 km/hr), which is also normal walking speed, the same passage should have taken 15.5 days. Total distance is about 1008 nautical miles (1867 km).
Provisions, stores and fresh water could be replenished all along the route to Skagen among the Goths and Danes living on the coasts. Additional crew could also be engaged.
Goths and Danes settled on what is today the Swedish west coast could in fair weather sailing have reached Britain in less than a week. Inland Goths living more to the north and west may have used the Norwegian fjords for seafaring.
Modern holiday sailors from Scandinavia and Britain make the same voyages today, as the most ordinary thing to do. I don?t think it was too difficult for weather bitten, seafaring old Goths.
Another interesting point is that the Scandinavian countries possess the sea gates of access into the North Sea and the Atlantic Ocean from Svalbard and North Cape in the north to Faeroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland in the west and Skagerrak, Kattegatt, Oresund and The Belts in the south. The word for sea gate in the Scandinavian languages is gatt, which is added to the name Katte- (Kattegatt). A great military power to the east of the Nordic countries is in fact landlocked if these sea gates are closed.
Shalom & Fair Wind
Seafaring Goth / Bo Ingvar Ronn / Indian Ocean
2.More Linguistic Evidence that the Scandinavians Came from Scythia?
In item no.1 above our attention is directed to the URL:
##The Continental homelands of the Anglo-Saxons
Contemporary Review, Dec, 2002 by David Burns##
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_1643_281/ai_96210739
This is an article suggesting that the Angles and Saxons who invaded England originated in Sweden.
It contains the following sentence:
##Beowulf was of the Geats, generally considered to be the Gotar from Gotaland in southern Sweden, and the poem is largely to do with the relationships between the Geats, the Scylfings (Svear, Swedes or Ynglingas) to the north-east, and the Scyldings of Denmark.##
Note the peoples mentioned:
(1. Scylfings (Svear, Swedes or Ynglingas) to the north-east
(2. Scyldings of Denmark
Both peoples are based on the root "Scyl"
According to Herodotus the Scythinas called themselves "Scoloti". This too would appear to be based on a "Scol" word root.
Were the word-roots "Scyl" and "Scol" in effect one and the same?
We have already raised this possibility in our book on the Khazars.
3. Objection to Brit-Am Khazar Studies?
From: RDAVIDH
Subject: Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1267
you wrote
##The Khazars descended from Israelite Tribes that had
partially lost their identity. They were kinfolk to ethnic groups in
Western Europe and what obtains concerning their ancestry also
applies to those they were related to. Their rulers came from the
Tribe of Manasseh who in some respects may be considered the
Thirteenth Tribe. This tribe through its Irish, Scottish, and
European offshoots is now dominant in the USA.##
me
the enemies of israel say that modern jews descend from the khazars, which is untrue it is well known among academics that the khazars were turks who had been converted to judaism, hence, the khazars have no claim, none, to the land of israel i have myself studied the genealogy of the turkish khans, and a turkish prince was the first khazar king, that is, the khazar royal house is no more than an offshoot of the turkish royal house do not entertain the notion that modern jews are descendants of khazars, for it will ultimately undermine the jews' claim to the land of israel
regards
Brit-Am Reply:
We do not say that all modern Jews descend from the Khazars. We do however show who the Khazars were.
There may not have been that many of them but a fair portion of those that were probably were assimilated by the Jews even though there is very little real proof of this.
We point this out.
Read our article on our web-site on the issue or better still purchase and read our book.
You say you have "studied the genealogy of the turkish khans".
How did you do that?
There is no real proof that the ruling house of the Khazars were Turkic.
It is all based on fancy and questionable linguistics.
Read our book.
Apart from that, even if the ruling house was Turkic it would not mean that the Khazars themselves were.
Tribes that spoke a Turkic dialect and may be considered for a good time were predominant in the area and Turkic rulers were set up over local non-Turkic peoples.
We are not putting ammunition into the hands of anti-Semites but rather fighting against them and revealing the falseness of their claims.
Nevertheless, we realize that no matter what we do or say there will always be those who attempt to interpret our efforts as the diametrical opposite of our intentions.
4. Avraham ben Gad: Agrees with Tessa
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1267
http://britam.org/now/1267Now.html#Tessa
##2. Tessa from NZ: Judah and Ephraim belong together but...
Tessa wrote:
##At all events Ephraim is growing fairly quietly into a sizeable population with no earthly leader, camouflaged by their widespread distribution and lack of a humanly organised agenda.##
What an incisive statement!
Thanks Tessa.
5. Yet Another Khazar Book Title Change
At the last minute we cancelled our files that were at the Printer, changed the book title,
and sent in new files with the title changed.
Now it is going ahead and that is that.
The new and final title is:
Tribe 13"
i.e.
Title: "The Khazars"
Sub-Title: "Tribe 13"
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