Brit-Am Now no. 1347 Ten Tribes
May 28 2009, 5 Sivan 5769
Contents:
1. Hezakiah: "Thank you for the response"
2. Sandie B Enjoys Tessa's Responses
3. Jay: Was Asenath (wife of Joseph) the Daughter of Dinah??
4. Worthwhile New Brit-Am Broadcasts
Israel (New BAMBI)
5. Taking the Shoe off (Ruth 4:7) and Marriage Customs?
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1. Hezakiah: "Thank you for the response"
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1346 Ten Tribes
http://britam.org/now/1346Now.html#Brit
#2. Brit-Am and One Aspect of Judah:
Hezakiah Answers the Questions. Brit-Am Response
Thank you for the response to my answers to YOUR questions. They clarify quite a bit on where you are coming from. We may disagree on points, but we have the same desire; Moshiach, a renewed halachic minded Israel and a better world. Chag samayach [Happy Feastday] Shavuot and may Hashem allow only peace and happiness to cross your thresholds
Shalom alechem, Chizkiyahu
2. Sandie B Enjoys Tessa's Responses
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1346 Ten Tribes
#4. Tessa: The Messiah Will Restore Ephraim!
http://britam.org/now/1346Now.html#Tessa
Hello Yair - i do enjoy Tessa's responses. Don't know who she is, but she has good info to share.
In peace sandie b. in Arizona
3. Jay: Was Asenath (wife of Joseph) the Daughter of Dinah??
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1345 Ten Tribes
http://britam.org/now/1346Now.html#Nathan
#1. Nathan Proud: Ancient Israelites, Egyptians, and Hyksos
Shalom Yair:
Nathan has made a very good point.
The following is a shortened quote from Louis Ginsberg's "The Legends of the Jews" (Copyright Jewish Publication Society, 1920, 1948):
"When Simon and Levi massacred the men of Shechem, Dinah refused to leave the city and follow her brethren saying, "Wither shall I carry my shame?" But Simon swore he would marry her, as he did later, and when she died in Egypt, he took her body to the Holy Land and buried it there. Dinah bore her brother a son, (footnote 96) and from her union with Shechem, the son of Hamor, sprang a daughter, Asenath by name, afterward the wife of Joseph. When this daughter was born to Dinah, her brethren, the sons of Jacob, wanted to kill her, .... But Jacob took a piece of tin, inscribed the Holy Name upon it, and bound it upon the neck of the girl, and he put her under a thorn-bush, and abandoned her there. An angel carried the babe down to Egypt, where Potiphar adopted her as his child, for his wife was barren."This is one of the first sources where I first learned this and is on page 38 of Volume II. A slightly different version appears on page 76.
If Louis Ginsburg was a speculator, would the JPS have had anything to do with what he wrote? There are six volumes plus an extensive index.
The other source was Targum Jonathan.
"...And he (Pharaoh) gave as wife Asenath, whom Dinah had borne to Shechem, and whom the wife of Potiphar, chief of Tanis, had reared."
This is quoted from The Targum Pseudo-Jonathan, Michael Glazier Books, 1992. Mr. Ginsburg commented in one place that Rabbi Eliezer was a source of this Targum.
If Louis Ginsberg based his story of Joseph and Asenath on the Targum Jonathan then the date of his source would be about the time of the Crusades. We can no longer ask him whether he speculated on this. Nor can anyone ask the authors of the Targum Jonathan if they just speculated on this. Either these stories are total lies or else Nathan has made a logical conclusion without even mentioning the two sources I have cited.
Jay (j099@webtv.net)
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Brit-Am Comment:
I would not call the legends in question "total lies" but neither are they necessarily
historically correct.
4. Worthwhile New Brit-Am Broadcasts
Israel (New BAMBI)
http://www.britam.org/Broadcasts/NewBambi.html
Ten Tribes Became Identified with Gentiles: Chs. 1, 2, 3 of Hosea
http://www.britam.org/Broadcasts/newBAMBI/HoseaGomer.mp3
(ca. 1 hour 1 minute)
The Story of Ruth
http://britam.org/Broadcasts/newBAMBI/Ruth.mp3
(ca. 50 minutes)
5. Taking the Shoe off (Ruth 4:7) and Marriage Customs?
Now this was the custom in former times in Israel concerning redeeming and exchanging: to confirm a transaction, the one took off a sandal and gave it to the other; this was the manner of attesting in Israel. Ruth 4:7
Quotes:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=954
"Throwing the wedding shoe", NYT 2/11/1887:
This custom of throwing one or more old shoes after the bride and groom either when they go to church to be married or when they start on their wedding journey, is so old that the memory of man stretches not back to its beginning.
Or E. Cobham Brewer, Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, 1898:
It has long been a custom in England, Scotland, and elsewhere, to throw an old shoe, or several shoes, at the bride and bridegroom when they quit the bride's home, after the wedding breakfast, or when they go to church to get married. Some think this represents an assault and refers to the ancient notion that the bridegroom carried off the bride with force and violence. Others look upon it as a relic of the ancient law of exchange, implying that the parents of the bride give up henceforth all right of dominion to their daughter.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/mco/ml07.htm
196. Of all the lingering customs of a bygone age that of Throwing the Shoe after a newly-married couple just off on their honeymoon will probably die the hardest. This is a relic of the Jewish mode of completing a transfer of land in ancient times, as illustrated in Ruth iv. 7. Here we find the shoe constituting a recognized symbol of possession.
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