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Brit-Am Now no. 1387
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
10 September 2009, 21 Elul 5769
Contents:
1. Am I Jewish?
2. Letters Concerning which Translation Brit-Am Should Use Other than the KJ.
3. Comment on the Poem: The Signs of Joseph
4. Does "a nation and a company of nations" refer to Judah and Joseph or just
Joseph?
5. Troy Christensen: Sundry Comments
6. The Poem: The Signs of Joseph
7. The Revision of Ancient Historical Chronology and its Pertinence to Brit-Am
1. Am I Jewish?
my fathers last name is .., Scottish ...I feel so close to the
Jews and fit your criteria....
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Brit-Am
Reply:
You maybe of Jewish descent or from the Lost Ten Tribes or simply a Righteous
Gentile.
At all events our advice is to strengthen your belief in the Bible, live a good
life, help your community and the nation
and support the State of Israel.
God bless you
Yair Davidiy
on behalf of
Brit-Am
Israel
2. Letters Concerning which Translation
Brit-Am Should Use Other than the KJ/
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1386
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(a) David Jackson
Personally I'm comfortable with the KJV having grown up with it, but there
is one called The New Jerusalem Bible, from Koren Publishers Jerusalem Ltd
1997, that I also like very much.
Dave
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(b) From Jay
Shalom Yair:
Some translators of the Dead Sea scrolls insist on using "Ye" and "Thee"
because it is the only way in English to distinguish the singular "You"
from the plural "You". In French, the singular "You" is "Tu" and the
plural "You" is "Vous". The similarity between the English and French
words is obvious. Nowadays in France, the pronoun, "Tu" is used only in
a close family situation such as speaking to a small child, as was
explained to me back in 1961. It could be different there now. English
has almost totally done away with "Thou" except maybe in legal documents
so that there is no doubt that a certain court order applies to the
individual reading it and nobody else. "Thou" seems to have been still
used in England as late as 1920. I knew an elderly man from Yorkshire
who was born in the late 1800s who often used "Thou art", though
poetically. A French-English grammar booklet from 1917 also instructed
that the phrase "Thou art" (You are) is equivalent to the singular
French, "Tu es". (This little booklet, which may have been written for
British soldiers during WW I, was actually what first enlightened me as
to why "Thou art" was used in the KJV.)
Overall, this makes me think that since the Torah is a legal document,
the use of the KJV is highly appropriate.
Jay
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(c) From Tess
Firstly a comment about a suitable Bible version - I find the English Standard
Version is very readable. It is (as near as is possible in English) considered a
'word for word' translation rather than 'thought for thought' versions which
tend to be more a stab in the dark! However, version bias is a sport for some
people!
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(d) From Troy Christensen
You said: =
##We may choose one of the Jewish Translations (e.g. the new JPS
edition?) if found to be acceptable.##
Are you aware of the CJB by David Stern? Or, "The Scriptures" by the Institute
for Bible Research out of South Africa? Both brilliant in their translations'
style. Check them out if you can.
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Brit-Am
Reply:
Concerning our choice of Translation we will either retain the KJ Version
or use another (more modern) mainstream version or one of the Jewish
Translations.
Whatever translation chosen it has to be generally accepted, not particularly
associated with any one school of thought, free of copyright problems,
easily downloaded, and suitable in style.
3. on the Poem: Joseph
From: Deborah Machir
Great once again!!! Debbie Machir
4. Does "a nation and a company of
nations" refer to Judah and Joseph or just Joseph?
Walt Baucum wrote:
Have been gone to a (52 year) high school class reunion for
almost two weeks and have been reading the Brit-Ams that collected while I was
away. Briefly, I question your interpretation of Gen. 35:11 ("...a nation and
a company of nations SHALL BE OF YOU.").
Your comment, "Here a nation refers to Judah (the Jews)..." does not seem
correct to me. The Jews were of the tribe of Judah, not Ephraim or Manasseh.
Although I disagreed with Herbert Armstrong in most things, I will go along
with his interpretation of Ephraim being the British Empire ("Company of
nations") and the nation (singular) being the United States of America.
Although many Jews live in both the British Isles and America, neither Ephraim
nor Manasseh was Jews of Judah. "Shall be of you" appears to me to be
referring to Joseph, not Judah.
Walt
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Brit-Am
Reply:
I do not understand your argument.
See what we wrote previously:
http://britam.org/now/1385Now.html#Discussion
http://www.britam.org/now/1386Now.html#What
The Almighty blesses Jacob (Israel)
[Genesis 35:11] AND GOD SAID UNTO HIM, I AM GOD ALMIGHTY: BE FRUITFUL AND
MULTIPLY; A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS SHALL BE OF THEE, AND KINGS SHALL
COME OUT OF THY LOINS...
There is nothing about Joseph here just Israel in general.
A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS in Hebrew is Goi ve-Kahal Goiim.
A COMPANY OF NATIONS in Hebrew is Kahal Goim.
Later (Genesis 48:4) in Hebrew we find Joseph referred to IN ALMOST THE SAME
WORDS!
Joseph is in effect called A COMPANY OF NATIONS.
Joseph IS NOT called A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS but only a Company of
Nations!
Jacob in blessing Joseph says:
[Genesis 48:4] AND SAID UNTO ME, BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEE FRUITFUL, AND MULTIPLY
THEE, AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE [Kahal Amim i.e. A Community
of Peoples OR A Company of Nations]; AND WILL GIVE THIS LAND TO THY SEED AFTER
THEE FOR AN EVERLASTING POSSESSION.
In this case he does NOT refer to A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS but only to a "Kahal
Amim" i.e. to A COMPANY OF NATIONS.
{[The terms "goiim" (as in Kahal [-community of-] goiim) and "amim" as in (as in Kahal [-community of-] amim)
are basically interchangeable]}.
Joseph is called A COMPANY OF NATIONS!
This justifies the association of the Company of Nations with Joseph (and by
implication also the rest of the Ten Tribes) and a Nation with Judah.
The simple meaning of association in accordance with the Hebrew Bible in the
Hebrew Language relates the expression:
A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS
to Judah (A NATION) and
A COMPANY OF NATIONS to the Ten Tribes headed by Joseph.
This to my mind is the simple meaning of the verses.
Any other explanation has to prove itself and to nullify our explanation of the
Hebrew expressions.
5. Troy Christensen:
Sundry Comments
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1386
Fantastic Yair!
Your knowledge and generosity toward the unlearned is to be commended.
I have input/need clarification on just a few of these latest issues; please?
You said:
Descendants
of Israelites will instinctively interpret their religion in a way that will
bring them closer to the will of the Almighty.
I just think that it is an incredible fact, relating to this comment of yours,
where there are shown to be well over 26,000 brands of Christianities in the
U.S. alone. I believe the descendants of the "lost" tribes are asleep (hidden)
within these organizations; blinded to the fullness of truth but desperately
seeking the Almighty! I am at work trying to wake them up; your research helps
me greatly.
And finally,
You said:
In our
opinion ways should be sought for
Ephraimites
to set up bases in other parts of the Promised Land. Why not advocate the USA
forming a protectorate over some area in southeast Turkey, Cyprus, Syria,
Lebanon, Jordan, etc wherein
Ephraimites will be enabled to
settle?
I happen to be one of those with, in my mind and heart, indisputable evidence
that I am from the tribe of Dan. My heart's desire grows stronger and stronger
with each passing day, to settle in the Splendid Land. Nothing can be done at
present, however, you are correct. I have written to Embassy and
Consulates...to no avail.
My understanding is, like yours, that "the" land's boundaries are from south,
the Nile; to the north, the Euphrates. What I didn't know is that it included
Cyprus. How would the Isra'elites attend the appointed Moedim, way back when,
if they were on that Isle?
Also, do you have any idea(s) about the current settlement situation in the
countries you've indicated above, as regards Ephraimites settling there? And,
wouldn't the Sinai peninsula be included as well?
Thank you for your work!!!!
Troy D. Christensen
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Brit-Am
Reply:
Outside of the Land of Israel there was no duty to go up to the Temple three
times a year.
Concerning Cyprus I do not know what the situation was but boat passage was
available.
It would not necessarily have been more difficult to get to Jerusalem from
Cyprus than it would have been to come from Northern Syria at the extreme limits
of the Euphrates River that defined the border.
6. The Poem: The Signs of Joseph
Some Minor Changes have been made
http://www.britam.org/BAPoetry.html#Signs
Abraham, Isaac, and Israel
These were the Patriarchs
Together with the Matriarchs
Of the chosen Israelite Tribe
Who it was said would do well
To the races of all mankind.
For their ancestry to ascribe
In order their descendants to tell
We must certain signs to find.
Lest to ourselves we be unkind.
Joseph was the favorite son
In endearment second to none.
A Scottish Tartan cloak
Was given to this bloke.
He done dreamt dreams
To be the ruler of everyone
No matter what it seems
Nothing is by chance
The Almighty had a Plan
The whole world to enhance
Through this Hebrew man.
Inspired by his reverie nocturnal
Straight from the Eternal
In his dream he did see
Something strange to you and me
Fraternal Sheaves of grain
And 13 celestial spheres
Representing family peers
Over whom he would reign.
They would to him bow down
For their mutual good and gain.
He would wear the crown.
In Washington and London Town.
Joseph was somewhat white and light
He married an Egyptian brown girl
Daughter of a priest, nice, and bright.
Their descendants reflect them both.
The flag of their children would unfurl
According to Scriptural troth
Over Africa and Egypt yet again.
They would have the Suez Canal
The British Empire their locale
And feed the world with American grain.
Grant relief from toil and pain.
Several different nations
Historically linked together
Controlling with a tether
Alien strategic stations.
A company of polities
Owing no apologies.
Swarming with a great host
of numerous large population
They would have the most
of Colonial Plantation
and political elation.
They must bear the name
of Abraham the first Hebrew
As the Scotti
and Hiberi
do.
Reflect in glory and fame
Isaac the Ancestral Grandad
Whose blessing Joseph via Jacob had
Anglo-Saxon is the cognomen
Of English-speaking men and women.
For in Isaac they are called.
Represented by Great Eagle Bald
And by lion and unicorn
Joseph had right of firstborn.
From Judah comes the future king
But Joseph Empire would take
Each one to his own thing.
Jacob is nicknamed Jack and Jake.
A Jock is a Scott, Jacques a Gaul.
Yank and G.I.
Joe do Americans make
Over the earth veer strong and tall.
These are the progenitor names.
That Joseph would be known by.
Nullifying all other claims
To be universal good guy.
Elevated and ranking high
Merchandise to sell and buy.
Their sign would be a bull
and an All-Seeing Eye;
Their seed the world would full.
Meaning over Gentiles rule.
Joseph was a sanctified tool.
Happy families, girls and boys
Little children with their toys.
They would live in healthy clime
Good soil, water, and rain.
Corn, wheat, and wine sublime.
Health and strength without bane.
Fruit, beef, sheep, and fish
Eaten as delicious dish.
Lands flowing with milk and honey
Blessing and joy in all their fields.
Everything that the soil yields
Bountiful harvests with plenty of money.
Oil, gold, silver, copper, tin, and zinc
Everything mineral that you can think.
The archers at him did shoot
Barbs of steel and rockets.
Joseph does not give a hoot
He will rock their sockets.
Joseph would dwell separate and alone
In every place he set the tone.
This is what we are now,
Cannot fake or break or leave it
Even if we know not how
We must still receive it.
7. The Revision of Ancient
Historical Chronology and its Pertinence to Brit-Am
Jonathan Tillotson wrote:
Dear Yair,
Hello. I was wondering if there is a place on the website which explains
clearly and simply the significance of the controversy surrounding
discrepancies in the ancient time line? Not just what the discrepancy is but
what it means, or what its consequences might be? If not could you perhaps
write a few words?
Regards
Jonathan
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Brit-Am
Reply:
Shalom,
I have not written any articles on the subject as of yet.
Until now we have only been trying to follow some of the arguments and
collecting information.
Conventional history says that first there was the Stone Age followed by the
Copper, Bronze, and Iron Ages.
Revised Chronology opines that the said historical phases to at least some
degree were inter-twined with each other.
Carbon dating etc is rejected.
Conventional history says that between the time of the Bronze Age and the
so-called Iron Age in the Middle East and East Mediterranean (Greece, Malta,
etc) there was a hiatus or gap ranging from ca. 300 years to up to 700 years.
This gap is known as the
Dark Ages.
Revised Chronology says that the Dark Ages are a fiction and did not exist or if
they did exist in some areas they lasted only about 50 years.
Conventional history says that the Persian Empire lasted for quite a same time.
Revised Chronology says that is was relatively short.
There are a lot of different scenarios that have been proposed.
From my point of view Peter Jones and company present the case quite well:
Centuries of Darkness: A Challenge to the Conventional Chronology of Old World
Archaeology by Peter James, I. J. Thorpe, I.J. Thorpe, Nikos Kokkinos, Robert
Morkot
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Centuries-
of-Darkness/Peter-James/e/9780813519500
See also:
The 'Dark Age' in Greece by E. J de Meester.
http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~meester7/engdark.html
They reduce Conventional History by 250 years. This to my mind is too little but
it is a beginning.
Immanuel Velikovsky reduced the time scale by ca. 700 years. Many of his points
still sound and have not been refuted.
Nevertheless it is widely held that he may erred by going too far to the
opposite extreme.
How does all this affect Brit-Am?
We hold that megalithic monuments (dolmens, etc) in the west provide evidence of
Israelite Presence.
Conventional Dating dates these findings much earlier than the Israelite Exile.
Eliminating the Dark Ages would make the archaeological record coincide much
more exactly with Biblical descriptions.
In addition in Scandinavia, Northern Europe, and the British Isles a large
number of findings from the Bronze Age show cultural and probable ethnic
connections to the Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East.
Lowering the date of the Bronze Age so that it falls within the compass of the
Israelites being exiled by the Assyrians makes our belief that Exiled Israelites
moved to the west consistent with archaeological findings.
In fact it explains these findings better than the other explanations at present
proffered.
If it were accepted that the Persian Empire only lasted for a shirt while it
would bring conventional chronology more into sync with traditional Jewish
accounts.
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/
15763/writing/short_persian_empire___archaeological_
evidence_from_peter_james
_book_centuries_of_darkness.html
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