"Brit-Am Now"-784
Contents:
1. DNA Europe: Prehistoric Populations very different from
present ones?
2. DNA: Links between Ashkenazic Jews, Scandinavians, Shetland Scotts, and Amerindians?
3. DNA: Personal
1. DNA Europe: Prehistoric Populations very different from
present ones?
>As for the mtDNA, there is evidence that N1a, N*,
>pre-HV, U8, H, J, K were in Europe during the
>Neolithic. N* and pre-HV were there in the Upper
>Paleolithic, and possibly U8 as well. I don't think
>the discontinuity between past and present populations
>is speculative. I think the reasons that have led to
>the discontinuity are, however.
>
Ellen Coffman
2. DNA: Links between Ashkenazic Jews, Scandinavians, Shetland Scotts, and Amerindians?
Extracts from:
A MOSAIC OF PEOPLE: THE JEWISH STORY AND A REASSESSMENT OF THE DNA EVIDENCE
Ellen Coffman
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
Haplogroup Q is rare in European populations as well. It occurs in low percentages in Hungary (2.6%) and much higher percentages in Siberia (Tambets et al. 2004). It can be found among populations in Norway and the Shetland Islands of Scotland where many Norwegian Vikings settled. The frequency of Haplogroup Q among Scandinavians is comparable to that found in Ashkenazim (Faux, private correspondence). It appears that Norwegians/Shetlanders and Ashkenazi Jews possess the highest percentages of haplogroup Q of any populations in Europe a rare link between two very different populations who may share a common ancestor from Central Asia or Eastern Europe. Interestingly, Scandinavians and Shetlanders also possess high levels of haplogroup R1a1 as well, perhaps some of it originating from Central Asian sources (Faux, private correspondence).
David Faux, a researcher examining the Shetlanders DNA and possible Central Asian links, notes the following:
The best evidence we have to date is that, although not investigated scientifically, that Q and K* arrived with R1a from the same population source in the Altai region of Russian Siberia. It is likely that what we are seeing with Q and K are very rare Scandinavian haplogroups whose origins were long ago in Asia. If this is true, then it is very unusual that there does not seem to be any Q or K along the overland pathways to Norway (e.g., in Western Russia) but there is Q, along with R1a, in the region of Kurdistan, and among a significant percentage of Ashkenazi Jews.
In conclusion, it appears that some members of three very distinct populationsScandinavian-Shetlanders, Native Americans and Ashkenazi Jewsmay share common ancestors originating from the Altai regions of southern Siberia. However, the Q ancestors of the Native Americans appears to have departed from their Altai homeland much earlier than the other two groups, migrating to the New World sometime between 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, providing sufficient time for the Native Americans to develop their own unique subgroup of Q, known as Q3 (Zegura et al. 2004).
3. DNA Personal
Hello Yair:
You were kind enough to send a copy of your thought provoking book "The Tribes" a while ago so the least I can do is to offer a comment to the query below.
Your haplotype has all the earmarks of the UiNeill - NW Irish haplotype and without a doubt if you were to be SNP tested for R1b you would be M222+.
I have been reading a great deal about the Celts of late and one thing that struck me was the almost inteminable invasions / migrations from Ireland to Wales. I would expect representation of just about every Irish cluster of haplotypes in Wales since these movements were from various locations in Ireland and over such a long period - from at least the beginning of recorded history to someone named Dwyer bringing his family over in the early years of this past century to work in the coal mines.
In my opinion your ancestry may be potentially traced to Ui Neill himself but you have excellent research skills so will eventually find a more precise connection.
I have attached Moore's articles about the subject in case you do not have this in your collection.
Best wishes,
David Faux.
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