"Brit-Am Now"-921
Contents:
1. PayPal
Payments
2. Question on DNA and Italy
3. G. Ashley: The USA and Number
Thirteeen
4. DNA, Racial Connections, the Jews, and anti-Semitism
5. Keating History of Ireland
1.
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2. Question on DNA
and Italy
T wrote:
Dear Yair Davidiy,
Shalom.
I recently discovered your Brit-Am web site and
I have gone back repeatedly to read your fascinating essays.
I think that you might be able to help me to
better understand my family's remote origins so
let me explain to you what I know.?nbsp; I would greatly appreciate your
comments.
I am American-born of an Italian family.?nbsp; I
have traced my ancestry back two hundred and
fifty years and, until my grandfather immigrated
to the United States early in the last century,
my family lived in the hill country south and
east of Rome, perhaps 120 km distant?.?nbsp; All were Roman Catholic.?br
I was content with this until I had my DNA?
analysed and discovered that I am J1, the
so-called Semitic haplotype, and that I matched
the original six-marker Cohen Modal Haplotype.?
?nbsp; Of course I thought that this was
confirmation of my theory that my ancestors were
Jews, or at very least Israelites ---a theory I
developed long before my DNA was tested and
based soley upon the certainty that I had
Nitzotz HaYehudi.[Soul-Sparks of Jewishness]?br
When FTDNA (
Family Tree DNA)
geneticists offered a 12 marker CMH, I was no?
longer a match and I was thrown into disturbing
confusion.?nbsp; I know you have your own beliefs
about the CMH and MEPS (Minimal essential pairing sequence??)
??)
and I wish I better understood them.
Let me ask you, what is the connection between
Italy and the Lost Tribes of Israel??nbsp; Do you
believe that the genetic determination of my
ancestors Middle Eastern origins might indicate
a connection to Israel???nbsp; Is it possible that
my remote ancestors were Jewish traders or
merchants, even Jewish slaves, who long ago lost
their conscious connection to the Holy Land and
converted to Christianity??nbsp; Is any
determination of such things possible through genetics alone?
Eager for your reply.
Alan T
New York
Answer:
Regarding Israelites in Italy in general see:
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPeoples.html#Italy
We have written on Italy in our work "The Tribes"
where we noted the presence of many from the
Tribe of Simeon who historically came to Italy.
Many Jews from Judah and Levi also settled in
Italy. Goths, Vandals, Normans, and numerous
groups of at least part Israelite descent came to
Italy at some stage or other.
Our understanding of DNA is that it is RECENT and
cannot be relied upon for more than 2000 years (or much less) back.
It is also determined to some degree by environment.
Nevertheless after being "fixed" it ALSO is
transmitted by heredity and this is how we can apply it.
The Cohen Gene (CMH) is common in Italy and does
not necessarily indicate Jewish origin.
http://www.britam.org/DNAContents.html
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesDNA.html#10
http://www.britam.org/Questions/DNARefutation.html
It is very possible that your ancestors were
Jewish or Israelite though we tend to relate
Hebrew ancestry amongst Italians more to Judah.
RE
The CMH (Cohen Module Haplotype) runs through the male gene.
It is a sub-division of
haplogroup J.
About 40% of Jews are haplogroup J.
Even though J accounts only for 40% of the Jews
as a whole it reaches more than 80% amongst the
Cohanim and half of these have the CMH while half do not.
J is divided into J1 and J2. About 20% of the Jewish J is J1 and the rest J2.
The CMH is found in both J1 and J2 and sometimes
even in haplogroups that are not J at all?
The CMH is built in such a way that it is considered a latecomer
and to have evolved after the separation of J1 and J2.
If the CMH is entirely determined by male
heredity from one ancestor it should be found
ONLY in either J1 or J2 and not in both of them
and certainly NOT outside of J altogether!!!!
We must therefore conclude that CMH is determined
by other elements in addition to heredited ones.
The CMH is also found in non-Jews:
Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin :
*<< The Cohen modal haplotype is the most common haplotype among
Southern Italians, Central Italians, Hungarians, and Iraqi
Kurds, and is also found among many
Armenians and South African Lembas. .
The CMH in effect PROVES that DNA cannot be entirely hereditary!
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3. G. Ashley: The
USA and Number Thirteeen
From: GAshley923@aol.com
Subject: Since there are thirteen tribes in Israel-America,
had just thirteen states
Since there are thirteen tribes in Israel, and
since Ephraim and Manasseh were adopted after all
the rest were born, and Ephraim is counted for
Joseph, or rather that they are counted
interchangeably, there is no other chance for
Manasseh, numerically speaking, but that he is
number thirteen. Now, it is a significant fact,
that when Manasseh separated from Ephraim -- when
the people who have become a great nation
separated from those who have become a company of
nations, because their branches have continued to
run over the wall -- he, Manasseh, or America,
had just thirteen states, and that thirteen is
the prominent number in all the emblems and heraldry of the land.
National Seal of the United States of America
"He also shall become a People, and he also shall be Great"
Genesis 48:19
The first national flag of those original United
States had thirteen Stars and thirteen Bars. The
bars symbolize the Union, and the constellation
of thirteen stars was intended to symbolize the
nation formed of thirteen independent states.
In this, the Great Seal of our country ...we have
the arms and crest of the United States of
America. We would first call your attention to
the fact that the eagle is holding in what is
called the "Dexter" talon an Olive Branch. In the
fourteenth chapter of Hosea, that prophet, who
has so much to say about lost Ephraim-Israel, we have the following:
"O Israel, return unto the Lord thy God; I will
heal their backslidings; I will love them freely;
for mine anger is turned away from him . . . I
will be as the dew to Israel; he shall grow like
the lily [the national flower of Egypt], and cast
forth his roots as Lebanon [royal cedar]. His
branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as
the OLIVE tree. Ephraim will say, What have I to
do any more with idols?" (Hosea 14:1, 4-6, 8)
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4. DNA, Racial
Connections, the Jews, and anti-Semitism
re "Brit-Am Now"-920
#3. Steven Collins: Referring DNA Queries to Brit-Am?
F wrote:
i am irish with some british scotish ect. but my
haplogroups matches were 26 of first 48 ashkenasis
whct did this mean . people 1st say it is
because alot of askenazis were tested . and they
were but i still match them. the result is if
you believe the keltoi migrations to
europe the people at the mts would be more
like the originals.. yet as they migrated west
and forgot who they were. the one constant is the ydna.
no matter how you strech it most
europeans have askenazis in their background. thus a relation.
now i think if we did this in 1920. with all
the matches it would of been hard to sell the
herory that askenazis should be eliminated if
60% of germans had them in their happlogroups background.
Reply
I would guess you are R1a which encompasses about
20% of the Ashkenazi Jews and about 30% of Norway and Sweden.
It is also the predominant haplotype of the
"Slavic" peoples of Eastern Europe and of the
"Aryans" in India (but not those of
Persia). It is less common amongst Germans though found in East Germany.
The Vikings brought it to the British Isles.
Many Vikings settled in Ireland and Scotland as well as in England.
It is divided into subtypes some of which appear
to be unique to Ashkenazic Jews and to Scandinavians.
This apparently is what you are.
According to DNA just because you were born
Ireland does not make you related through the Y gene
with the rest of the Irish.
If you rely on DNA you should therefore search
for your ancestors amongst the Vikings or Jews or both.
This can be misleading.
Suppose there was once an eskimo from Greenland who went to the Congo
and married a native woman and had a son who also married a native woman
and so on for thousands of generations.
At the end he had a son named Tom whose Y DNA would relate him to the
Eskimos.
At the same time there was once a woman from
China who went to Australia and married an aborigine
and they had a daughter who also married an
aborigine and so on for thousands of generations.
At the end a girl was born named Mary who went to the Congo and married Tom
and they had a son named Bill.
The YDNA of Bill would show him to have an Eskimo
ancestor on the male side and the mtDNA would how him to have
a Chinese ancestor on the female side and this is
what would be reported to him in most DNA test.
The real ancestors of "Bill" were therefore
overwhelmingly Congo Native and Australian Aborigines yet the
DNA tests would have reported him as half Eskimo and half Chinese!
This example is exaggerated since in most cases
people stay (or stayed in the past) amongst their own kind.
Nevertheless it is worth keeping in mind.
As for your remark about Germany etc you can
forget it since no matter what the facts are the
Enemies of Judah will always find some reason of
their own to justify their malicious sentiments.
On a personal note I am Jewish but my YDNA seems
to connect me to the Donnel clan of Ireland
and Scotland.
It's OK though, in Israel most MacDonald beefburgers are Kosher or should be!
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5. Keating History
of Ireland
http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100054/index.html
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