1. Craig Blackwood: Comparisons between Australians and New Zealanders
2. All Pre-publication Orders Sent Out
3. Stone of Scone Abbey Found
1. Craig Blackwood: Comparisons between Australians and New Zealanders
From: Craig Blackwood <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: RE: "Brit-Am Now"-939
Being a New Zealander myself I could not resist a comment.
The relationship between NZ and Australia is a complex one in one hand but
simple on the other and as a Kiwi I see the AUSSIE as a bit of a big brother
bully. It seems the tension loves to be settled physically. This is
expressed in the love of FOOTY. No not football but RUGBY and the battle
between the All Blacks and Wallabies are tantamount to war.
We do have similarities. The class system is not as definitive but still
very strong as people always judge others and position themselves
appropriately. Both Kiwis and Aussies will help the under dog. The
underdog will get help but once helped, the TALL POPPY SYNDROME takes place,
pull them down. It seems we want everyone to be equal but ourselves more
equal. This is expressed in UNIONISM. The sense of MATE-SHIP is strong in
both nations this comes form the fact that during colonialism no one could
survive on their own. Everyone needed help. You don't let your mates down,
you never betray a mate. Even when he is wrong, you try to work it out
first. Unionism is much stronger in Australia. Farming is also very
It was amassing to see the different reaction when Australians found out I
was a Kiwi. I travelled extensively through out NSW and many placed me as
being from Victoria. There seems a little resentment with the million plus
Kiwis in Australia and the Dole-Bludger-sheep jokes get rather irritating,
of course the jokes and myths are way over the top. However white, Anglo
Kiwis are a preferred migrant. New Zealanders seem a bit more racially
tolerant. The Muslims complain a lot about this intolerance but the verbal
torment is nothing compare to what Kiwis must put up with. Relationally
Australians tend to stand over as Kiwis tend to negotiate. At last moment
it seems the elder brother syndrome gets the better of Australians and the
classical UNDER ARM tactics come out of the DIRTY ROTTEN BOOK OF TRICKS
(referring to an infamous cricket game) Australians cannot seem to
understand why the Kiwis cannot seem to GET OVER IT. But the issue keeps
being brought to the fore because there are some festering sores on both
sides. At the end of the day the relationship in my view is typically one
of elder brother verses younger brother. The element of Joseph is strong.
Many Kiwis occupy many middle management positions, the meat in the
sandwich. It seems the Joseph syndrome plays out a little too. The
struggle to gain the upper hand is always present. New Zealanders will try
to reason but the Australian will run out of patience and use force.
Kiwis tend to display more patience and have more attention to detail.
Australians tend to ball park and generalise.
One reason for Australian rejection of all things British comes from the
beginnings. Essentially Australia was a penal colony and NZ was
administrated from Sydney NSW. Both migrants were rejected buy the mother
land. For early New Zealand migrants, they were the second son who was
given a bag of money and told to move on, whilst the elder brother was left
to the family inheritance. Australian migrants also did not want to come.
Force prisoners whose measly crimes were crimes of survival, extreme
punishment for taking a loaf of bread. Others were soldiers and sailors who
were conscripted. Rejection is a very powerful force between our nations
and this manifests in varying ways. Australia copied American politics
because of certain secret societies and that Australians could identify with
Americas struggle with Britain.. We behave very much like brothers.
Australia certainly behaves like a big brother and NZ displays a certain
resentment. However when the going gets, tuff blood is thicker, the ANZAC
spirit is very strong. I identify NZ with Joseph (national colour is BLACK)
and Zebulon. Kiwis excel in sailing, agriculture, dairy farming, forestry,
fishery and there zeal and caring spirit resembles that of Zebulon. Zebulon
use to take his families clothes to clothe strangers, He use to catch fish
(the only one to master fishing) and give them away. The character of
Zebulon resembles the strongest in NZ. NZ has a very strong but quiet Dutch
Australian national colours (Green and Gold and call themselves the LUCKY
[luck of the Irish] country) have more Welsh and Irish connections, linking
Simeon and there seems to be a stronger Isachaar presence. The demarcation
between the states are loosely resemble by tribal separation. There has
been a book written that defines the boundaries not too dissimilar to the
state boundaries but mainly defined by language. the English influence is
strongest in Victoria and the Irish in Queensland. The Irish tended to move
north away from the English. Of course every thing as a generalisation.
New Zealanders tend to be harder workers.
There is a different migrant topography. NZ attracted more Scottish and
Dutch were Australia attracted more Irish and German. Later Greek and
Italian migrants were attracted to Australia where as NZ opened the doors to
Pacific Islanders and lately Chinese..
lately with the latest Prime Ministers, John Howard seems to have a back
pocket relationship with President George Bush, where as Prime Minister
Helen Clarke has moved towards Denmark as an ideal role model. Sadly they
have taken the moral code of Denmark to heart, glorifying prostitution,
there are even those in government pushing to open ternary education in
I guess I may be a bit biased but Australia is the second greatest place on
planet earth. I have dual citizenship. I will defend Australia. Our flags
are almost identical.
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3. Stone of Scone Abbey Found
Dr Richard Griffin and Duncan Long
both sent in the following information:
Stone of Destiny in News!!! Rediscovered: Lost abbey where Bruce was
20-Jul-07 00:04 BST
Robert the Bruce: Inaugurated.
Rediscovered: Lost abbey where Bruce was crowned
ONE of Scotland's most important "lost" historic sites - the ancient abbey where Robert the Bruce is believed to have been crowned on the Stone of Destiny - has been rediscovered.
Archaeologists using sophisticated magnetic imaging technology have traced the exact location of Scone Abbey, the ancient seat of ecclesiastical and royal power where Scottish kings were inaugurated for four centuries. The find could eventually pave the way for excavations to begin to reveal the remains.
The major archaeological investigation in the grounds of Scone Palace is led by Oliver O'Grady, of the Department of Archaeology at Glasgow University, and Peter Yeoman, a prominent expert on medieval Scotland. Mr O'Grady said yesterday that the discovery of the outline of the "lost" abbey had exceeded all the expectations of his team.
It is the first time there has been any trace of the abbey, founded in 1114 by Alexander I, since it was sacked and burned by an angry mob in 1559 at the height of the Reformation.
"We have had some startling results," he said. "For the first time we can say this is the location of the great main abbey church of Scone. It was the location of many inaugurations of Scottish kings and is believed to have been where the Stone of Destiny was housed in the main altar at the eastern end of the abbey. It is certainly thought to be the location where Robert the Bruce was inaugurated.
"The importance of Scone - where kings were made and parliaments met - is only matched by how little we know about the reality of the place."
The dramatic first images have been captured on the team's computer screens. They believe the abbey complex could be up to 100 metres in length - far larger than was previously thought.
Mr O'Grady added: "We have been really surprised by the high quality of the survey results so far.
For the first time in the modern age we can actually begin to get an emerging picture of the scale of the church here. We are amazed by what we've found."
Mr O'Grady said the team of archaeologists was in "positive" discussions with the palace - home of the Earl and Countess of Mansfield - about continuing their work and expanding the geophysics survey. There were, he said "multiple possibilities" including future excavations.
Suzanne Urquhart, the chief executive of Mansfield Estates at Scone Palace, said: "To see the plan of what was a beautiful Gothic church emerge after being lost for 400 years is very exciting. We are talking to the archaeologists about how the project might develop."
Robert the Bruce
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Last updated: 20-Jul-07 00:04 BST
Stone of Scone
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The Stone of Scone (pronounced /sku ?n/, 'skoon'), also commonly known as the Stone of Destiny or the Coronation Stone (though the former name sometimes refers to Lia F ?il) is a block of sandstone historically kept at the now-ruined abbey in Scone, near Perth, Scotland. It was used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, the monarchs of England, and, more recently, British monarchs. Other names by which it has sometimes been known include Jacob's Pillow Stone and the Tanist Stone, and in Scottish Gaelic, "clach-na-cinneamhain", "clach Sg in" and also "Lia(th) F il" 
Tradition and history
Traditionally, it is supposed to be the pillow stone said to have been used by the Biblical Jacob. According to one legend, it was the Coronation Stone of the early D ?l Riata Gaels when they lived in Ireland, which they brought with them when settling Caledonia. Another legend holds that the stone was actually the travelling altar used by St Columba in his missionary activities throughout what is now Scotland. Certainly, since the time of Kenneth Mac Alpin, the first King of Scots, at around 847, Scottish monarchs were seated upon the stone during their coronation ceremony. At this time the stone was situated at Scone, a few miles north of Perth.
Another tradition holds that, in gratitude for Irish support at the battle of Bannockburn (1314), Robert the Bruce gave a portion of the stone to Cormac McCarthy, king of Munster. Installed at McCarthy's stronghold, Blarney Castle, it became the Blarney Stone.
A contemporary account by a Walter Hemingford, a canon of Guisborough Priory in Yorkshire says:
"Apud Monasterium de Scone positus eat lapis pergrandis in ecclesia Dei, juxta manum altare, concavus quidam ad modum rotundae catherdeaie confectus, in quo future reges loco quasi coronatis."
( ??In the monastery of Scone, in the church of God, near to the high altar, is kept a large stone, hollowed out/concave as a round chair, on which their kings were placed for their ordination, according to custom. ??)
The Stone of Scone in the Coronation Chair at Westminster Abbey, 1855.In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair, known as St. Edward's Chair, on which all subsequent English sovereigns except Queen Mary II have been crowned. Doubtless by this he intended to symbolize his claim to be "Lord Paramount" of Scotland with right to oversee its King. However, there is some doubt whether Edward I captured the real stone ? it has been suggeested that monks at Scone Palace hid the real Stone in the River Tay or buried it on Dunsinane Hill. If so, it is possible that the English troops were fooled into taking the wrong stone; some have claimed that historic descriptions do not appear to fit the present stone. If the monks did hide the real stone, they hid it well, as no other stone fitting its description has ever been found (although rumors are occasionally heard of Knights Templar claiming to have the original stone in their possession). (For further discussion of this theory, see Westminster Stone theory).
In 1328, in the peace talks between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England, Edward III is said to have agreed to return the captured Stone to Scotland. However, this did not form part of the Treaty of Northampton. The Stone was to remain in England for another six centuries. In course of time James VI of Scotland came to the English throne as James I of England but the stone remained in London; for the next century, the Stuart Kings and Queens of Scotland once again sat on the stone ? but at their coroonation as Kings and Queens of England. Since the Act of Union 1707, the coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey has applied to the whole of Great Britain, and since the Act of Union 1800 to the United Kingdom, so the stone may be said to have returned, once again, to its ancient use.
Removal and damage
On Christmas Day 1950, a group of four Scottish students (Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Kay Matheson and Alan Stuart) took the Stone from Westminster Abbey for return to Scotland. In the process of removing it from the Abbey, they broke it into two pieces. After hiding the greater part of the stone in Kent for a few weeks, they risked the road blocks on the border and returned to Scotland with this piece, which they had hidden in the back of a borrowed car, along with a new accomplice Johnny Josselyn. The smaller piece was similarly brought north a little while later. This journey involved a break in Leeds, where a group of sympathetic students and graduates took the fragment to Ilkley Moor for an overnight stay, accompanied by renditions of "On Ilkley Moor baht 'tat". The Stone was then passed to a senior Glasgow politician who arranged for it to be professionally repaired by Glasgow stonemason Robert Gray. A major search for the stone had been ordered by the British Government, but this proved unsuccessful. Perhaps assuming that the Church would not return it to England, the stone's custodians left it on the altar of Arbroath Abbey, on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Once the London police were informed of its whereabouts, the Stone was returned to Westminster. Afterwards, rumours circulated that copies had been made of the Stone, and that the returned Stone was not in fact the original.
Returned to Scotland
In 1996 the British Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations, and on 15 November 1996, after a handover ceremony at the border between representatives of the Home Office and of the Scottish Office, it was returned to Scotland and transported to Edinburgh Castle where it remains. Provision has been made to transport the stone to Westminster Abbey when it is required there for future coronation ceremonies.
References in popular culture
One of the best known references to the Stone is in 1066 and all that, where it becomes known as the "Scone of Stone".
In the Discworld novel The Fifth Elephant by Terry Pratchett, a pivotal plot point is the theft of a dwarven artifact called the Scone of Stone, a very well preserved bit of dwarven battle bread that is used in their coronations. A parallel is drawn between the Scone of Stone and the Stone of Scone, in that it is also broken and replicated.
The Highlander TV series featured a humorous episode called The Stone of Scone where Macleod was responsible for the 1950 theft. The end of the episode implies that the authentic stone was left on a golf course in Scotland.
In the animated television series Gargoyles, the Stone of Destiny was the same stone that once housed the legendary sword Excalibur. After awakening from his sleep on Avalon, Arthur found the stone in Westminster Abbey, hoping to find Excalibur once more. The Stone instead sent both Arthur and the gargoyle Griff to Manhattan, where they allied with the Manhattan Clan of gargoyles to embark on a new quest for Excalibur, along the way battling against the immortal Scottish king Macbeth to regain the sword.
Mob Films are currently filming a period feature length film Stone of Destiny based on the 1950s theft, the release is date is set for 2008.