"Brit-Am Now"-146

November 13, 2002


1. Sweden: KINNARED (like kinneret)
2. Anti-Norman sentiments in early USA
3. Putin Who?

1. Sweden: KINNARED (like kinneret)
Subject: Re: Biblical Names: Sweden

The best name in Sweden is still: the town: KINNARED (like kinneret, harp
and the galilean sea)
 From Elin in Norway and thanks for the conference in Jerusalem i september
which I attended

2.  Anti-Norman sentiments in early USA

On the Anglo-Saxon list (ANSAX-L) there is an interesting thread concerning
USA constitutional thought and Anglo-Saxon loyalties. Apparently Thomas
Jefferson and others
looked back to the Anglo-Saxon period in England before the Norman Conquest
for traditions of a "Republican"-type nature suitable to US sensibilities.
Is there something in this?
Elements from the Anglo-Saxon rulers before the Normans traditionally went
ot Scotland after the Norman invasion.
The Scots-Irish were later important in the colonization of the USA.
We have identified the USA with Manasseh.
In "Joseph" we identified many of the immigrants to the USA as coming from
the west
and north, i.e. mainly non-Anglo-Saxon areas but even those who came from
"English" regions
within Britain had belonged to dispossessed social groups who did not
really belong
and had previously existed on the fringe regions of the feudal structure,
as we explained.
We identified the Normans as being dominated by Benjamin.
The Tudors I believe brought Ephraim elements to the fore.
Cromwell and his men represented Manasseh within Ephraim.
The Stuarts and they who followed reflected Ephraim elements.

Anyway here are some of the postings:

Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson To: ANSAX-L@LISTSERV.WVU.EDU

In the process of my Domesday Book research for a monograph I found that
royal institutions and customs in 1086 had in the main been inherited
from the 9th century, and I suspect even earlier from the early 8th
century. These customs are explained in Black's Law Dictionary which
explain terminology that can be traced in documents of the period. This
may have changed in some way after William the Conqueror died, but in one
respect, the royal fee farm, continued to the end of the 17th century.
At that time institutions were being challenged.
Hope this helps,
On 11/11/02 10:22 AM Kalev Peekna writes:
 >In identifying certain political liberties as "pre-Norman" or "Anglo-Saxon,"
 >Jefferson et. al. are following a line of argument established more than a
 >century before in mid-C17 England. That they should do so is not
 >surprising, given the well-established affection among American
 >intellectuals for English republican thought of the Interregnum and late
 >Restoration periods (on this see treatments by Wood, Maier, or Bailyn. To
 >the individual who claimed that there are no English models for Republican
 >governments, I can only reply: 31 January 1649).
 >"Throwing off the Norman Yoke" was a rhetorical stance adopted by those with
 >an interest in combating the dominant monarchist theories of the day. The
 >appeal to the Anglo-Saxon past was part of a more general rejection of
 >continental legal and political theories in the Roman tradition -- theories
 >were were increasingly, and to some alarmingly, popular in the Stuart
 >courts. The search for ancient, "immemorial" liberties which pre-dated the
 >establishment of a strong central monarchy in England inspired a good deal
 >of research in the Anglo-Saxon period and its legal institutions
To these
 >opponents of the Stuart court, Parliament represented the best of England's
 >oldest institutions, while the court represented the worst of the youngest.
 >--Kalev Peekna
 >Chicago, IL

3. Putin Who?
From: Joan Griffith
Subject: Re: Royalty

This article is from http://www.rense.com
Sorry, I could not email from the web page. This is extremely interesting
because it ties in with my pet theory that all of the European royals are
descended from David.
Joan Griffith
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."
Albert Einstein
Putin' - More Evidence Western Royalty Is All Related
Tsar Vladimir Putin?
By Gennady Klimov and Maria Orlova
Based on the materials from the Tver newspaper Karavan
Translated by Dmitry Sudakov
Vladimir Putin could have royal blood
Russian president Vladimir Putin has been a mystery almost for everyone
since moment of his election. He seemed to be a man with no past, inspired
by the symbol of the new epoch, but
deprived of historic roots. Research conducted by journalists from the
Russian city of Tver has become a sensation. It was discovered that the
parents of the Russian president came from the Kalininsky area of the Tver
The president,s family tree is not traced before Putin,s grandfather
Spiridon Putin, who left Tver for St. Petersburg at the age of 15. Vladimir
Putin,s grandfather was a serious, reserved man of immaculate honesty.
Spiridon Putin became a good cook. He worked in fancy restaurants in
St.Petersburg before the revolution of 1917. Later, he was invited to cook
for Lenin himself. When Lenin passed away, Spiridon Putin started working
at one of Stalin,s dachas. Putin,s grandfather managed to survive this
horrid period of the Soviet history. When he retired, he lived and cooked
at a holiday camp of the Communist Party. Vladimir Putin describes his
grandfather as a man who liked remaining silent most of the time.
The researchers did not manage to trace the origin of this last name Putin.
The world-wide web knows only one Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, the Russian
president. Therefore, using online search engines is completely worthless
in this quest. No other scientists of history and no dictionary mention
anything about the name Putin among tens of thousands of other names.
On the other hand, there has recently been a surprising fact discovered.
Vladimir Putin looks like Prince Mikhail Tverskoy. They both are not tall,
with little hair, and similar noses. Is Putin a descendant of the Tver
prince? This hypothesis is gaining more and more support. The name Putin is
not mentioned among the Russian names. This means that the name is of
foreign origin.
The name Putin appeared recently, sometime in the middle of the 19th
century. All Putins originally came from the Putin clan of the Tver region.
Illegitimate offspring of noble families were often given shortened names.
For example, Russian writer Pnin was an illegitimate son of Field Marshal
Repnin. There have been many other such occasions: Betskoy instead of
Trubetskoy and Gribov instead of Griboyedov. The new names of unofficial
clan branches were formed by means of deduction: a syllable was simply
taken out of the origional name.
A book on the Tver region mentions the name of Putyanin, a clan of Russian
princes. This clan gave Russian many outstanding military leaders, as well
as artists, politicians, and priests. This is one of the oldest clans in
Russian history. If President Putin is a descendant of the Putyatin clan,
this means that Vladimir Putin is related to nearly all the royal families
of Europe.