"Brit-Am Now"-238
April 29, 2003

1. Mixed Marriages
2. Who Were the Huns?
3. Saturday
4. What Percentage really are Israelite?
5. DNA: Eastern Jews Amongst Western Europeans? (Very Interesting)
6. Christianity
7. Moshe Davis and his Biblical Place-Name List

1. Mixed Marriages
  "T" wrote:

A  complicated question. From the religious point of view of Judaism it is
not a legal marriage unless the Israelite partner converts to Judaism.
 From the point of view of the children, according to Judaism, if the
mother is Jewish the children are also Jewish and should be obligated to
keep the Jewish faith. If the mother is not Jewish the children are not
Jewish. From the point of view of Tribal affiliation it goes after the
father. If the father is not Israelite then Tribal affiliation will go
after the mother.
Anglo-Saxon  practices  historically were de facto similar to the Jewish ones.

2. Who Were the Huns?
W wrote:
>From: Wblrkn@aol.com
>Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-236-Hunic Hostilities-?
>You mentioned they pushed the Scythians westward, who were the Huns, Chinese
>or former Assyrians?

I am still researching "The Huns" and have not yet reached a reasonable
conclusion as to who they were.
By "Huns" we refer to  the group who pushed the Israelite-Scythians
westward especially those who later
under the leadership of Attila invaded the west. These may have been
descendants of mixed peoples once enslaved
by the group considered Huns in Chinese literature.
Like the early Mongols their leadership included a core of tall blond and
red-headed types but they had intermarried
with Iranian, Turkic, and Mongolian peoples.
Some of the "Scythian" peoples near the Altai (in East Scythia near the
borders of Mongolia and China) in my opinion may have been descended from
the Assyrians and they may well have given risen to the Huns of history.
Israelites were also present amongst the Huns and amongst peoples who were
attached to the Huns.
The Assyrians at times referred to themselves as "Subartu", i.e. Sabiri.
Nimrod was one of the founders of ancient Assyria.
In light of this it is interesting to note the following extract that I
pulled the  off the web:

<<GENESIS 10, 8-13:
Cush was the father of Nimrod, who began to show himself a man of might on
earth; and he was a mighty hunter before the Lord, as the saying goes,
"Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord". His kingdom in the
beginning consisted of Babel, Erech, and Accad, all of them in the land of
Shinar. From that land he migrated to Asshur and built Nineveh,
Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and Resen, a great city between Nineveh and Calah.
<<The Hungarians, who call themselves Magyar, have an ancient traditional
pre-christian account of their origins according to which they were the
descendents of Nimrod (also spelled as Nimrud), son of Cush; Nimrod and
Eneth had two sons, Magor and Hunor; Magor was the ancestor of the Magyars,
and Hunor was the ancestor of the Huns, thus symbolizing the common origins
of the Huns and of the Magyars. Ancient Byzantine sources mention that the
Magyars were also known as the Sabirs who originated from Northern
Mesopotamia, which was referred to as Subir-ki by the Sumerians who also
originated from this land. >>

It is now accepted to consider the Huns a Turkish people. This means that
they spoke a Turkish dialect and had a Turkish-type culture. The Turkish
peoples of history were descendants of Togarmah along with Hittites and
elements from Edom.
Togarmah was son of Gomer and brother to Ashkenaz and Riphah both of whom
gave rise to European peoples.

3. Saturday
From: jimschev@citlink.net
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-237
yair davidiy writes:

<<Classical mythology regarded the Jews as descendants or followers of
Saturn who in Greek and Roman eyes paralleled either the patriarch Israel
or the God of Israel. They also thought that Saturn and his followers had
founded the Galatian and Gallic nations and established a dominion in
Britain. Thus, in their own way the pagan Greeks and Romans must have
supposed some sort of ancestral connection between the Jews and western
Celts. >>
In other words they were labelled by the Greek and Romans according to
their own beliefs .
Because the Jews set the seventh day apart!Which happens to be on Their
Saturday the day for Saturn. And they themselves set The day of the sun apart.

4. What Percentage really are Israelite?
"D" wrote:
>In a message dated 4/25/2003 1:17:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>britam@netvision.net.il writes:
>>Whether most of these groups were Israelite or not is a separate subject.
>>The point is that, at the very least, most of the Israelites were with them
>>and were destined to be a determining element amongst them.
>any sense of proportions and numbers?

No. I believe that most people in areas emphasized in our studies are of
Israelite descent but even with a much lower percentage our  conclusions
would still hold. The main points are that MOST of the Lost Ten Tribes are
NOW to be found in the areas we speak of, they determine much of the
national character in those regions, and that they will return from those

5. DNA: Eastern Jews Amongst Western Europeans? (Very Interesting)
Brit-Am is mainly concerned with studying the Lost Ten Tribes and their
present whereabouts
but the study of Judah and descendants of Judah is also part of our work.
We do not use DNA studies yet in our researches because:
a. We do not understand them properly.
b. In several cases they contradict each other.
c. At present it would seem that on the larger scale preconceived notions
consciously or subconsciously are coloring
conclusions reached.
d. They are not advanced enough in our opinion.
We believe that in the near future DNA studies will be revised and upgraded
and may enable us to use them as subsidiary evidence.
Be all that as it may, here and there, even now in some cases these studies
make interesting points.
Concerning the Jews of "Judah":
The Jews descended from those Israelites who remained in "Judah". They were
dominated by the Tribes of
Judah, Benjamin, Levi, with minority elements from some of the other Tribes
including Simeon and Ephraim.
After the Ten Tribes were exiled by the Assyrians, the Jews were exiled to
Babylon. Some returned from Babylon
to Judah but many remained.
The Jews in both Judah and Babylon were later scattered and are divided
into two main groups:
1. The Ashkenazim are the European Jews. "Ashkenaz" was a name for Germany
and many of the "Ashkenazi" Jews
dwelt for a time in Germany and were influenced by German culture and used
a Hebrew-German dialect ("Yiddish").
The Jews who returned to Judah after the Babylonian Exile later became the
influential element amongst "Ashkenazic"
Jewry. Main elements: Judah, Benjamin, Levi, also additions from Simeon,
and Manasseh (Khazars) as well as North European
and East European converts.
2. Sephardim are the Mediterranean and Eastern Jews. "Sepharad" was a name
for Spain.   Traditionally, Jews whose forefathers had remained in
"Babylon" were more important amongst the "Sephardim". Jews who were exiled
from Spain
became influential  in  Mediterranean and Eastern Jewish communities
therefore they are all often referred to as "Sephardim".
Main elements: Judah, Benjamin, Levi, also additions from the minority
remnants of all the other Tribes, i.e. refugees from the Assyrians.
Some admixtures from Mediterranean and eastern peoples.

A certain article (DNA and the Sephardic Diaspora:Spanish and Portuguese
Jews in Europe   By
Abraham D. Lavender Ph.D. from HaLapid Winter, 2003
http://www.cryptojews.com/dna_and_the_sephardic_diaspora.htm  )
makes some good points. The article studies "Sephardic" Jews and their
possible descendants.
The article is well written yet I MAY not have understood every point
correctly. If I am mistaken on any detail
please point this out to me.
As I understand it, the article says:
Taking 9 Genetic characteristics (DNA markers) that when found together
form a "haplotype", we find a certain "haplotype" amongst a certain
percentage of Sephardic Jews and consider this "haplotype" to be typically
"Sephardic" Jewish.
The "haplotype" in question concerns male ancestry; different criteria are
used for females.

Comparing the data we have of Gentile populations we find the following
percentages for this haplotype:
  1.35 for Spain,  1.79 for southern Portugal, and "3.82 for central and
northern Portugal where most Jews were trapped from 1497 on when they were
not allowed to leave without secretly escaping."
<<The percentages for other European areas are: 4.80 for Belgium and 4.48
for southern Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland) ... 2.18 for the northern
Netherlands (Friesland and Groningen) where smaller Sephardic communities
existed; 0.87 for Hamburg (where a Sephardic community was begun, but later
lost numbers to Copenhagen), 2.41 for five sites in western Germany
(Dusseldorf, Cologne, Limburg, Mainz, Freiburg) on or very close to the
Rhine River whose mouth is in the Netherlands, 6.06 for Strasbourg, on the
Rhine River, .....1.45 for seven sites elsewhere in Germany (Munster,
Magdeburg, Rostock, Berlin, Leipzig, Stuttgart, Munich), 1.35 for Rome,
1.22 for four sites in northern Italy, and 0.27 for five other sites in
Italy. London, England and Dublin, Ireland, both of which had Sephardic
communities, had respectively 2.83 and 1.87.>>
<<There was a 6.35% match (to be interpreted cautiously because of a small
sample size) for Copenhagen, Denmark, which had a Sephardic community, but
for Scandinavian countries without Sephardic communities, there was 0.67%
for Norway and 0.57% for Sweden. Finland was 0%. The percentage was 0.62
for eight sites in Poland, and 0.16 for four sites in Eastern Europe
(Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Moscow). Budapest, Hungary, earlier part
of the Ottoman Empire with a Sephardic community, had 1.71, Croatia, with a
Sephardic community, had 2.00, and Krakow, Poland, also with a Sephardic
community, had 0.93 (see Chaim Raphael, The Sephardi Story, Valentine
Mitchell, 1991, pages 128-129, for a map of some communities).

<<there were no matches for this haplotype in Greece and a small match in
Turkey.. ..There were also a few situations difficult to explain. Vienna
and Graz in Austria had no matches, which was no surprise (although Vienna
had a Sephardic community), but the Tyrol area of Austria, the Austrian
panhandle sandwiched between southern Germany, Northern Italy, and eastern
Switzerland, including Innsbruck, had a match of 2.62. I have been unable
so far to find references to Sephardic settlements in that area. Lausanne,
Switzerland, with 4.43%, is in a similar situation. It is possible that
Huguenots from France, previously Sephardim, might account for a flow into
Switzerland from France...>>

The author assumes that the haplotype in question is "Sephardic" and
originated with the Jews in Spain before they were expelled
at the time of the Inquisition, BUT he admits that other explanations may
be possible: The author says:

<<there is one major reason that causes hesitation in concluding that all
of this data represents a Sephardic migration pattern after the Inquisition
era. This can be referred to as the ancient history thesis. It is possible
that these DNA patterns go back thousands of years to very early migrations
to western Europe, and long predate a Jewish presence in western Europe...
This haplotype does have matches in areas of Europe other than areas of
major Sephardic settlements. Similar patterns of varying degrees have been
found by this author in analyses of twenty other haplotypes from Iberia.>>

In other words men, some of whose descendants became "Sephardic" Jews, may
also have been the ancestors of people who migrated to Europe in ancient times.

<< The ancient history approach could be used to argue that the pattern
discussed in this paper pre-dates the Inquisition-based Sephardic exile.
Another suggestion is that Sephardic descendants of the exiles, in the 600
years since significant migrations began from Spain (migrations started in
1391, following a wave of persecution), have spread to many places within
Europe, and that many of the descendants are today Christians who have no
memory of their Jewish ancestry. We know from a number of writings that a
significant number of Jewish descendants have been lost to the community in
this manner. Certainly in Germany there have been major Jewish conversions
to Christianity for several hundred years, and there are many descendants
of Jewish families who have lost all traces of their Jewish ancestry. The
pattern shown in this article, with the specific relationship between this
DNA pattern and known Sephardic areas of settlement, is too strong to
support an ancient history pattern of genetic distribution. Even taking
into account the matches in areas with unknown Sephardic settlements, as in
parts of Germany, the overall pattern is too strong to have happened by
chance. Although I approach this conclusion with double caution because I
share the haplotype analyzed, I do think that the pattern indicates that
this haplotype is part of the Sephardic diaspora.>>

Brit-Am says:
These results are to be taken with caution. In the past similar findings as
the above have proven misleading or very controversial.
Even so the tentative results are interesting. They concern only ONE
haplotype out of what must have been SEVERAL original Sephardic Jewish
ancestral patterns exactly repeated with significant frequency in Belgium,
Holland, Alsace (Stasbourg on the border between France and Germany),
Denmark and other areas.

6. Christianity
At 07:51 27/04/2003 -0700, "Shaun" wrote:
>what about Utah?  where does the Church of Jesus Christ fit into your

We are going through the USA State by State in alphabetical order. We have
not yet reached Utah.
Christianity in general is viewed  as a tool employed by Divine Providence
to make the "gentiles"
aware of Biblical truth. To the extent that the "gentiles" in question are
of Israelite origin then they will
often be inclined to emphasize the "Hebrew" aspects of their religion.

7. Moshe Davis and his Biblical Place-Name List

"S" you wrote:
>What does Moshe Davis mean?

Moshe Davis made inquiries of local government officials, etc, concerning
the Biblical inspiration
for Biblical place names in the USA. Every town whose Biblical name was
officially confirmed to have been inspired
by the Bible was included in a list that Moshe Davis published.
At the beginning our study was based almost exclusively on the list of
Moshe Davis but we have since expanded it to include
any place with a Biblical name without regard to why or how the place
received the name.


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