"Brit-Am Now"- 501

Jan 6, 2005
Contents:
1. Replies to Some "Linguistic" Criticisms
2. Which House will the Messiah son of David head?
3. The Great Population Question

1. Replies to Some "Linguistic" Criticisms

>From: Steve Taylor
>Subject: HEBREW NAMESAKES AMONGST THE WESTERN CELTS
>
>>The Welsh name Montgomery means "Mons Gomericus" or Mountain of
Gomer!
>
>er, no it doesn't.

>>  The Welsh call themselves Cumbri, Cymri, Kumeri, and Gumbri and
their
>> language "Kumeraeg" or "Gumeraeg".
>
>No.  we don't.  We call ourselves Cymru.  The word has nothing to do
with
>Gomer. "Cym" is a prefix like "co-" in english.
>You're almost right in saying Cymru is sometimes said as Gymru.
>but the reason is purely gramatical.  We have something called initial
>consonant mutation.  but if you were a real language scholar, you'd
know that.

>>  ALBION can be understood to mean Lebanon
>
>hahahahahahahaha
>yeah, whatever.
>
>Alba is Scotland.  Do some research.  Albion derives from the word
ALBA.
>NOT LEBANON.

>>The Welsh are said to have called the Scottish "Ysgothiad" and their
land
>>Ysgotland (i.e. Land of the Goths)

>What?!  Do you make this rubish up on the spot?!  Scotland is called
ALBA
>the Scotish people are ALBANWYR.

Replies:
I see out of the numerous examples we gave you use the polemicist
tactic of
attacking what you perceive to be the weakest points while ignoring
the strong ones. An honest approach would be to consider our whole
argument
on this matter.
In studies such as these it is easy to make mistakes on some points yet
overall be correct.
You are right however that I do not know Welsh and am not a linguist.
You give the impression that you do know Welsh and may have some
linguistic
training
and seem to be trying to browbeat me.
You either have not read enough yourself or are over-selectively using
information for polemical reasons while ignoring
other possibilities that you should be aware of.

I would refer you to the book, "Comparing Welsh Hebrew" by Karel
Jongeling
(The Netherlands, 2000, Research School, CNWS, Leiden University).

a. Concerning "Montgomery
  I saw an explanation that the name combines a French ("mons") and
Welsh
form ("gomery'}.

b. Cymru
Be logical. "Cym" as you say is the major part of an ethnic name, "We
call
ourselves Cymru".
The fact that the same sound may also be used as a "prefix" does not
exclude other usages and meanings.

c. Gymru being another form of Cymru
Maybe it is but who is to say whether Cymru or Gymru is the correct
pronunciation and apart from that the "G" and "C" were interchangeable
in European tongues. The people known as Gimirri to the Assyrians are
called Cimmerians by us.

I understand that
Before it was standardized there were different dialects of Welsh.
Welsh is referred to as Gumraeg and the form Cymru may also be rendered
as
Gymru as can be seen in Roadsigns in Wales
and excerpts from Welsh literature, e.g. Theophilus Evans, 1740, "Drych
y
Prif Oesoedd", p.128 quoted in Jongeling p.28.

d. Albion
Alba is Scotland and Albion is a name applied by the Romans to Britain
in
general or just to England. Conventionally the
name is traced to a source meaning "white" and one explanation relates
it
to the "White Cliffs of Dover".
The word "Lebanon" is derived from a root "Leban" meaning "white". It
could
also be rendered  "Ha-Lebanon"
and with Phoenician-Hebraic derived words in the west this could be
rendered Aleban or Alban.
This form is also found in Latin but this does not preclude its usage
in
Britain having preceded the Romans.
ABSENT VOICES: THE STORY OF WRITING SYSTEMS IN THE WEST
Altman, Rochelle
- New Castle, DE : Oak Knoll Press 2004
- ISBN 1584561084
argues for a group of Phoenician [Hebrew]-speakers in Britain before
the
Romans. I have not yet read the work
but the authoress is a well-known scholar active on the ANE and ANSAX
lists
and has recognized research achievements
in related fields.

e. Ysgoths
I saw this in a few places but quote as a source from
LA TOUR D'AUVERGNE. "Originnes Gauloises", Hamburg, 1801.
"LA TOUR" was from Brittany but he quotes from Welsh and other sources
and
the Breton dialect is said to be similar to the Welsh one.
Going from memory LA TOUR does attribute the term to Welsh usage but it
was
also used by others
and  in the past there was an interest in some kind of linkage between
the
Scots and Goths.

f. ALBA and ALBANWYR
A country may have several names all at the same time or at different
times.
For example, Britain may also be referred to popularly as "Great
Britain",  "The United Kingdom",
or "England". You may say that technically "England" is only part of
Britain but in popular
usage (even in other parts of Britain) the term "England" is often
applied
to the whole.
Britain (or "England") is also known as "Brittania", "Albion", and in
France as "Angleterre",
and the English (meaning in popular parlance the British in general)
are
sometimes referred to
as "Limeys", or "Pommies".
The Irish are called "Micks" and other peoples are called other names.

2. Which House will the Messiah son of David head?
From: Drsyke
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-500

In a message dated 1/5/2005 4:37:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
britam@netvision.net.il writes:
Until recently the Brit-Am message was concealed.
We are now revealing it but we ourselves are still waking up to its
presence as REALITY.
Many others cannot take it. Something that was there all the time that
could have been seen but was not
is psychologically difficult to accept.
We need to be aware of this phenomenon.
The Jewish conception of the Lost Ten Tribes more or less was that  the
Lost Tribes were Lost Jews
and upon being found would reveal themselves as always having been Jews
or
else would return immediately and enthusiastically to Judaism.
The fact that this is not the case takes some getting used to.
Even if the Brit-Am explanation is accepted by the Jewish people how
exactly the Jews are supposed to relate to "Joseph"
is not yet clear to anyone.
Those who believe in Brit-Am should recognize this conundrum and make
account for it.
Above all you should support Brit-Am however you can.

Yair
it should be noted that the Ramchal's [Rabbi Moshe Chail Luzatto
1770-1747]
book on the Redemption, now translated into English, maintains his
point of
view that one of the ways that G-d will bring about the unification of
the
2 houses is by having the Josephitic Messiah redeem the Jews and then
the
Davidic Messiah redeem the 10 lost Tribes
best regards
DM, New Jersey

Who Was Ramchal?
www.aish.com%2Fliteracy%2Fjewishhistory%2FCrash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_51_-_The_Kabbalists.asp
<<Moshe Chaim Luzatto, known as the Ramchal (1707-1747). A great
Kabbalist
and a brilliant profound thinker, he wrote a book which is still
intensely
studied today, Mesilat Yesharim, "The Path of the Just." But because he
was
a Kabbalist, he was hounded out of Italy, and he came to Israel where
he
died at age 40.
<<His contribution to Jewish studies was not appreciated until after
his
death. Rabbi Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman, the Vilna Gaon ("Genius of
Vilna"),
later said about the works of the Ramchal that his understanding of
Judaism
was perfect, and that if the Ramchal were alive in Vila Gaon's time, he
would have walked from Vilna to Italy to sit at the Ramchal's feet and
learn.

Brit-Am Note: This point of view is the opposite of the general one
that
places the Messiah Son of Joseph at the head of the Lost Ten Tribes and
the
Messiah son of David
at the Head of Judah at first and after that at the head of all Israel.

3. The Great Population Question
Question:
"Peter Salemi (BIR)" <salem1@rogers.com> wrote:
>Hi mr yair davidy. I was wondering. This is one of the arguments
against
>British-Israel. One web site writes,
>
>Population Increase
>
>"In Jacob's day, the patriarch was, at a very, very conservative
estimate,
>one man in a world population of at least 6,000,000. The world's
>population in Jacob's day was probably a lot greater than that, but
for
>the purpose of this discussion we'll say Jacob was one in six million
>people on earth. The present combined populations of the alleged
>British-Israel nations: Britain (Ephraim), the USA (Manasseh), Canada,
>Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and western Europe (France
(Reuben)
>Denmark (Dan) Saxony (Isaac's sons) etc.) is about 1,000,000,000 (one
UK
>billion): which is approximately one sixth of the world's present
>population of about 6,000,000,000 (six UK billion).
>
>Now consider for a moment this astonishing fact. If the British Israel
>theory were true, it would mean that Jacob's descendants somehow grew
from
>being one in six million to one in six! Statistically that is
impossible.
>History provides no evidence whatsoever that the birth rate of other
>nations (China, India, Africa etc.) virtually stood still whilst
Jacob's
>descendants (Britain, USA and western Europe) out-stripped them to
such an
>extent. If anything, history tells us the very opposite was true: the
>population explosion occurred elsewhere (China, India and Africa); not
>amongst the white races. In other words, statistically the theory
about
>Britain, the USA and western Europe being the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel
is
>a non-starter. It cannot be true.
>  How do you respond to this? Thanks Peter

Answer:
Shalom,
Instead of asking: How can they be so many? One could well ask, Where
are
the rest?
See our Biblical Proof below:

I do not know how many people existed in the time of Jacob.
I also do not know how many people should be descended from Israel
according to the Brit-Am scenario.
We said frequently that we believe the MAJORITY of the Lost Ten Tribes
to
be found in certain areas
but are not certain whether or not they form a majority in the said
regions
though in some areas they may well
do so and historically they were qualitatively determinative.
Demographics change.
At the time of the Roman Empire there were 3 to 4 million or more Jews
in
the world and about an equal number of Chinese
and maybe 2 million people in the British Isles. Later in the "Dark
Ages"
the population of Britain went down to
about a million and that of the Jews to even less than a million.
You can play around with statistics any way you want
but if the Jews representing 2 tribes had an equal population to China
at
that time and today China has an estimated
1,284,303,705 (July 2002 est.) people then multiplying that number by 6
(6
by 2 = 12) to get twelve tribes you have
more than enough numbers even according to a maximalist explanation.
This is what would have happened if all the other tribes had had the
same
number of people as Judah and Benjamin
and if they had have increased at the same rate that the Chinese did.

Biblical Proofs no. 16: Large Numbers
Genesis 15:5, 22:17,  24:60, 32:12, Numbers 23:10, Isaiah 10:22, 24:16,
26:15 Hosea 1:10
It was prophesied that the Lost Ten Tribes would be extremely numerous
and
numbers 100s of millions or more.  We must therefore look for a group
of
peoples related to each other who do have such numbers as well as
fulfilling all the other criteria given by the Bible.
Only the Brit-Am solution fulfills these conditions.

Abraham was promised that his seed would be extremely numerous.

[Genesis 15:5] AND HE BROUGHT HIM FORTH ABROAD, AND SAID, LOOK NOW
TOWARD
HEAVEN, AND TELL THE STARS, IF THOU BE ABLE TO NUMBER THEM: AND HE SAID
UNTO HIM, SO SHALL THY SEED BE.

[Genesis 22:17] THAT IN BLESSING I WILL BLESS THEE, AND IN MULTIPLYING
I
WILL MULTIPLY THY SEED  AS THE STARS OF THE HEAVEN, AND AS THE SAND
WHICH
IS UPON THE SEA SHORE; AND THY SEED  SHALL POSSESS THE GATE OF HIS
ENEMIES;
[Genesis 22:18] AND IN THY SEED SHALL ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH BE
BLESSED; BECAUSE THOU HAST OBEYED MY VOICE.

Isaac married Rebecca who it was predicted would become the mother of
"alfei revava" or "thousands of ten thousands" (Genesis 24:60),
translated
as "thousands of millions" by the King James.
[Genesis 24:60] AND THEY BLESSED REBEKAH, AND SAID UNTO HER, THOU ART
OUR
SISTER, BE THOU THE MOTHER OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS, AND LET THY SEED
POSSESS THE GATE OF THOSE WHICH  HATE THEM.

Isaac was to be the ancestor of innumerable descendants.
[Genesis 32:12] AND THOU SAIDST, I WILL SURELY DO THEE GOOD, AND MAKE
THY
SEED AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, WHICH CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR
MULTITUDE.

The Israelites will be so numerous that they cannot be counted:
[Numbers 23:10] WHO CAN COUNT THE DUST OF JACOB, AND THE NUMBER OF THE
FOURTH PART OF  ISRAEL? LET ME DIE THE DEATH OF THE RIGHTEOUS, AND LET
MY
LAST END BE LIKE HIS!

The Lost Ten Tribes at the end times will number an enormous number of
people.
We saw how the Jews of Judah will be astounded at the numbers of Lost
Israelites who will return even though they were not previously known
to
belong to Israel:
[Isaiah 49:21] THEN SHALT THOU SAY IN THINE HEART, WHO HATH BEGOTTEN ME
THESE, SEEING I HAVE LOST MY CHILDREN, AND AM DESOLATE, A CAPTIVE, AND
REMOVING TO AND FRO? AND WHO HATH BROUGHT UP THESE? BEHOLD, I WAS LEFT
ALONE; THESE, WHERE HAD THEY BEEN?
YIsaiah predicted that in the Last days only a few would survive and
that
disasters would occur:
[Isaiah 10:22] FOR THOUGH YOUR PEOPLE ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA,
ONLY A REMNANT OF THEM WILL RETURN. DESTRUCTION IS DECREED, OVERFLOWING
WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS.
<<BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA>>: Descendants of Israel will be
exceedingly
numerous towards the end times.
             Isaiah says that the nation will be increased greatly and
be
removed unto the ends of the earth (Isaiah 24:16, 26:15) meaning the
geographical extremities of the world such as Britain, North America,
Scandinavia, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
Hosea also said that the Children of Israel will be innumerable:
[Hosea 1:10] YET THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SHALL BE AS THE
SAND
OF THE SEA, WHICH CANNOT BE MEASURED NOR NUMBERED; AND IT SHALL COME TO
PASS, THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID UNTO THEM, YE ARE NOT MY
PEOPLE,
THERE IT SHALL BE SAID UNTO THEM, YE ARE THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.

When you take everything all together and consider who we belief the
Lost
Ten Tribes to be today and their present numbers and compare them with
that
which was prophesied:

Instead of asking: How can they be so many? One could well ask, Where
are
the rest?

Brit-Am supporter, Colbert Brian, pointed out that an indicated number
concerning the Israelites in the future could have been Six Hundred
Million
Males Plus Their Families!
  [Deuteronomy 1:11] THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS MAKE YOU A THOUSAND
TIMES
SO MANY MORE AS YE ARE, AND BLESS YOU, AS HE HATH PROMISED YOU!
             At that time they numbered more than 600,000 males who
went
out to war. A thousand times 600,000 makes 600 million males on to
which
must be added females and children under the age of twenty and men over
the
age of 60.
We have not yet necessarily reached these numbers but will do so in the
future.


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