Date: 08/03/2002 4:12:05 PM Central Daylight Time
Contents:
1. Poland by Joan Griffith
2. Answers to Criticisms of Brit-Am
beliefs no.1
1. Poland by Joan Griffith
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-60
This is in response to Orjan's trip
to Poland:
First, Poland is in the crossroads
of Europe, having been home to Balts,
Celts, Germans, Slavs, Scythians, Sarmatians,
Huns, and Mongols, as well as
Magyars (Hungarians). In the early
Middle Ages, Dutch, Germans, Czechs, and
Jews moved into the western provinces
of Poland, while the Polish moved
east, where they mingled with Letts,
Litts, Ruthenes, Romanians, and
Tartars. The country has been designated
the homand of the early Slavs,
early east Germans (Prussians) and
others has been self-ruled, and also has
been ruled (at least in part) by Russia,
Bohemia Grand Duchy of Lithuania,
Germany, and Hapsburg Austria. The
clergy, city burghers, and Jews each
were protected in Poland by royal charters.
More to the point, however, my
source (an out of date book now tossed)
says: Polish noblemen possessed
different racial origins than the mass
of the population. Popular mythology
held that they were the descendants
of the noble Japheth (rather than Ham).
This was a 16th century notion. Marcin
Bielski (1495-1575)believed they
were descended from the warrior Sarmatians,
who had conquered the Slavonic
tribes. When the origins of the Polish
language seemed to be Slavic, the
Poles found this a mortal danger because
of Russia's "Pan-Slav" theories,
the implication being that Russia should
dominate the Slavic peoples.
Meantime, as late as 1791, Poland was
such a diverse country that documents
were written in Roman, Cyrillic, Hebrew,
and Arabic, with the official
languages Polish, Latin, and German,
and the unofficial languages were
quite numerous. The Othodox, Jewish,
and Tartar calendars were in use.
There was a multiplicity of religions:
Roman Catholic, Calvinists,
Lutherans, Arians, Unitarians, Orthodox,
Uniates, Old Believers; Jews,
Karaim, Chassidim, Frankists; Armenian
monophysites, and Tartar Muslim.
Poland passed a Statute of General
Toleration in 1573 to promote religious
toleration. (This would end when Catholicism
was enforced on the Polish
peoples.)
An interesting story is that E.T.A.
Hoffmann, who wrote the "Tales of
Hoffman", ran the Prussian Registry
in the late 1800s. Jews were required
to register, and since they did not
at that time have surnames, Hoffman
gave them one. He would give each person
a name, the first word that popped
into his head. For example, on Friday,
he might name everyone for a fish;
another day he would pick names of
flowers (Blum), birds (vogels), or
religion (Helfgot or Help God). It
was said that one day he began naming
people in a military fashion with names
like Pistolet, Trompeter, etc. and
the people fled, they did not want
those names!
This is from Heart of Europe, a Short
History of Poland, by Norman Davies.
A better book than I thought it would
be, it ends with the rise of the
unionists shortly before the USSR freed
the Soviet republics, including
Poland and other countries of Eastern
Europe. From the discussion of
culture here, I can understand how
Pope John Paul II came out of the
country so well-educated (per his biography).
Joan Griffith
Joan
A diplomatic person is a person who
sends you to hell in such a way that
you'll thank him for the trip. - Simon
Pace
2. Answers to Criticisms of Brit-Am beliefs no.1
Someone wrote an article in favor of
an identity idea similar to that of
Brit-Am and using beliefs of ours and
put it on the web
(http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/anglo-saxon.htm)
: (I prefer that
people give us credit when they use
information they obtained from us but
the most important thing is that the
information be used.)
After that someone else wrote an article
against the first one and also put
it on the web: http://www.geocities.com/tzurmanoti/response.htm
Then Mike D and others requested that
I write a reply to it.
I do not usually do this and sometimes
even letters directly addressed to
me get put off for too long. Even so:
Here are the basic claims made
against our kind of ideas and some
brief rough answers to some of the
claims made:
They said:
<<The Messianic Truth
Response to the Anglo-Israelism Heresy
This is a reply to the fanciful theories
exposed in the following website:
http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/anglo-saxon.htm
A response to the article:
"Suppose The Anglo-Saxons Are Not Israel?"
by S. A. Ackley
Their assertions
My reply
Who are we? Who and where were we before
we were Anglo-saxons?
You, Anglo-saxons, are a JAPHETIC race,
descended from Gomer and Magog,
according to the Scriptures, to all
reliable history documents, and to YOUR
OWN GENEALOGIES!!! (see the British
and Saxon Chronicles, and the
Anglo-saxon and Milesian Genealogies).
Celtic peoples were present in
Europe since Avraham's times, and Saxons
are recorded in northern Germany
since David's times.>>
Answer by Brit-Am: Scriptures do not
mention the Anglo-Saxons expressly
anywhere -unless you admit that they
are identifiable with "Ephraim" in the
Prophets. Anglo-Saxon genealogies trace
their ancestors to Shem and some
Anglo-Saxon Frisian traditions trace
their ancestry to Israel as explained
in our works especially the 2nd edition
of The Tribes. Milesian (i.e.
Irish) geneaologies are ambiguous and
Irish legends on the whole also
indicate Israelite origin as shown
in "Lost Israelite Identity" and the
recent series of articles we had on
our list entitled "Various Traditions".
"Celtic" peoples per se were present
in Europe maybe from ca 650 BCE though
most authorities would put their appearance
at a later date. it is not sure
at present (according to academic circles)
that the early inhabitants of
Britain really were Celtic. They only
received that title in the late 19th
century CE!
The earliest record of the Saxons is
about 200 CE. Germanic tribes that may
have been later absorbed by the Saxons
were recorded around 100 BCE and may
have been present in Germany from around
500 BCE. David lived about 1000
BCE according to conveniontally accepted
chrologies.
They said:
<<What became of the ten tribes,
if amalgamated, and with whom?
The "ten tribes" is just an un-Scriptural
definition. They're mentioned
only when Ahiyah prophesied to Yerov'am
that he would receive the remaining
of Israel, except what belongs by right
to David. Ten being a number that
in Hebrew symbolism represents a whole
nation, not actually "ten tribes".
How could Shim'on have joined the northern
tribes??? In fact, Ezra himself
attests that the tribe of Shim'on was
never deported, but remained in the
south of Israel and eventually occupied
part of Edom. The actual number of
Tribes that made up the Northern Kingdom
were nine, but many Ephraimites
and from other Northern Tribes re-settled
in Judah to remain loyal to
David's House and Jerusalem.
If the Anglo-Saxons are not Israel,
what people inhabit the waste places
and the wilderness, as God said Israel
should?
All Jews still among the Goyim are
inhabiting the wilderness of the pagan
nations, the UK and USA among these
pagans! (I wonder, why you avoid
mentioning South-Africa among your
holy elected British nations? Is it a
little embarrassing?). Many descents
from the ancient Israelites have been
found in Asia and Africa (Afghanistan,
Kashmir, India, China, Zimbabwe,
etc.), non in Europe or America!>>
Answer by Brit-Am:
Simeon (Shimeon) was in the south but
archaeological evidence shows that
culturally and politically he was influenced
by the north. He went into
exile with the northern tribes as hinted
at in the Bible and affirmed by
Rabbinical Midrashim.
The bit about Simeon who "eventually
occupied part of Edom" (in the time of
Hezekiah as told in the Book of Chronicles)
may also have something to it.
The two points do not necessarily contradict
each other.
At all events Ezra does not mention
anybody from the tribe of Simeon and so
testifies that most of Simeon was missing.
Ezra list families from Judah,
Benjamin, and Levi indicating that
these were the main (and basically only)
tribes that remained.
You said:
<<(I wonder, why you avoid mentioning
South-Africa among your holy elected
British nations? Is it a little embarrassing?).>>
Well Brit-Am counts South
Africa amongst the "holy elected".
We are not embarrassed.
Descendants of ancient Israelites in
coherent bodies have not been found
anywhere outside of the areas we list
but rather peoples who for some
reason or other adopted Jewish or Israelite
folklore and customs.
They said:
<< Gen. 35: 11, promises Abraham
that "A nation and a company of nations
shall be of thee." If America is not
that nation, and Great Britain that
company of nations, who is?
Avraham is the forefather of a company
of nations, indeed. Not only Jews
are his descent, but many other Middle-Eastern
nations, including your
friends, the Arabs. Avraham had at
least eight sons, of whom many nations
scattered in the Middle East and India
descend. India alone is a more
numerous and diversified group of nations
than America. Many Indian tribes
still keep the same names of the Israelite
tribes.
If the Anglo-Saxons are not a great
people, where is such a people to be
found? If we are not Israel, we must
be Gentiles, and as such are in
possession of Palestine, and as Gentiles
must be driven out before the Jews
can return, and Christ take up His
earthly reign.
Yes, Anglo-saxons ARE GENTILES, indeed!
No, Anglo-saxons are NOT a great
people, they're just taking a role
in history as other peoples, even
GREATER than them, namely Romans, had.
Anglo-saxons are still applying what
they've learnt from Romans, the real
western civilization that has
determined the main features of all
European cultures until this time,
including British (by the way, they
were Romans who called them "Britanni",
as they never called themselves that
way!!! "British" is not the original
ethnic name, but a Roman invention).
America is now temporarily replacing
the Roman Empire. Is not the American
eagle the same Roman eagle? When in
history the eagle represented Israel?
Are the freemasonic symbols of
America of Israelite origin, or rather
the devilish imitation? Don't you
know that the USA were founded by freemasons,
whose occultist practices are
well-known, taking Jewish symbols and
distorting their meaning?>>
Answer by Brit-Am:
The whole story of Genesis is how the
blessing was received by Abraham and
ONLY passed to Isaac who passed it
ONLY to Jacob who passed it to ALL his
sons but gave a pre-eminence to Joseph.
Some of the Arabs and maybe some
Indian tribes may be descended from
Abraham but they did not receive the
blessing. Abraham was told to expel
Ishmael the forefather of the Arabs and
did not want to BUT:
[Genesis 21:12] AND GOD SAID UNTO ABRAHAM,
LET IT NOT BE GRIEVOUS IN THY
SIGHT BECAUSE OF THE LAD, AND BECAUSE
OF THY BONDWOMAN; IN ALL THAT SARAH
HATH SAID UNTO THEE, HEARKEN UNTO HER
VOICE; FOR IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE
CALLED.
<<IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE
CALLED>>: This means that the whole essence of
Abraham would be carried on through
Isaac.
The Romans did not have a greater Empire
than the British. The British
Empire was much larger, ruled more
people, and was more benevolent than the
Roman one.
Who says the Romans invented the name
Britanni? Why did they do that? The
Romans applied the name Britanni to
the inhabitants of Britain since that
apparently was one of the names they
used for themselves. An early Greek
source has "Pretanoi" which is a derivative
of Britanni. Incidentally the
major name the early British really
did use for themselves and that was
recorded by others was "Iberi" meaning
Hebrews!
An eagle was one of the beasts in the
chariot of Ezekiel.
A bald-headed eagle represented Israelites
groups exiled by the Assyrians
from Judah and Benjamin who joined
the Lost Ten Tribes:
[Micah 1:16] MAKE THEE BALD, AND POLL
THEE FOR THY DELICATE CHILDREN;
ENLARGE THY BALDNESS AS THE EAGLE;
FOR THEY ARE GONE INTO CAPTIVITY FROM THEE.
All (or at least most) of the places
mentioned by Micah in verses preceding
1:16 appear to have belonged to either
Benjamin or Judah. These were places
whose inhabitants were exiled by the
Assyrians and who joined the Ten
Tribes in exile. The Lost Ten Tribes
also include many from the southern
tribes of Judah and Benjamin just as
Judah eventually included many from
The Lost Ten Tribes.
<<ENLARGE THY BALDNESS AS THE
EAGLE>>: Is not the bald-headed eagle a
symbol of the USA?
Maybe the USA was founded by Freemasons.
Maybe it was not. Whatever the
case the symbols that they adopted
have biblical significance and help
identify the USA as part of Israel.
Why are such identifying signs only
apparent amongst certain nations
and not amongst others?
They said: A lot of other things, if
people want me to go on and answer I
will do so.