Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:48 am
1. Questions and Answers Regarding the Irish and Scottish Highlanders
2. Letter from Liz.
4. Early Massachusetts and Connecticut
5. Edom = Turkey?
1. Question and Answer Regarding the
Irish and Scottish Highlanders
Subject: A Question:
Subject: A Question: Mr. Davidy: The Milesian Legends play a very large
part in the genre of those who believe British Isreal historiography. A
very large part! with Jeremiah supposedly bringing the Stone of Scone
(Destiny - the Lia Fail.- Jacob's pillow) to Ireland at Tara , with a later
Irishman, St. Columba bringing it to Scotland. The problem however is the
Irish (and the Highland Scots for that matter) were persecuted beyond
measure. They never shared in the supposed prosperity promised to Israel's
Lost Tribes. Ireland's population was halved by the famine, in large part a
result of British land practices and oppression. The Highlanders were all
but driven out of Scotland, the nation they formed, and were reduced to
about 50,000 in the 1850s by British records. The Infamous Highland
Clearances. The present day Scot is most likely a Lowlander with mostly
Danish, Norman and Saxon blood in him. And very little Gaelic Scot in him
at all, if any. The Gaelic Highlander of Northern Scotland was hated by the
Lowlander and persecuted as much as any Irishman was. In fact the
Highlander was called the "wild Irish." During the wars up there it was
often a Gaelic Alliance (the Irish and Highlanders) versus the Anglo
speakers (the English and Lowlanders who spoke a dialect of English called
Scots English - not to be confused with Scots Gaelic which the Highlander
spoke).A studious read will show the Irish hiring Highland Galloglas in
their wars with the Enlgish and the Highlanders hiring Irish troops in the
Scottish Civil War to throw the English out. The Lowlanders were
pro-English. Now, if the Celts are the lost Tribes, with promises given to
them by God then why are Scotland and Wales still under subjugation to the
English (essentially Germanics, not Celts)? and why is Ulster still under
British rule? In other words " Why did the Gaels fare so badly?" If the
Celts are the Lost Tribes shouldn't the capital of the world be Aberdeen or
Dublin, NOT London or Washington? This is no minor flaw. The Lost Tribes
theory usually is of this form . Jeremiah brought the royal Judah line to
Ireland therefore the British are the Lost Tribes. This must be a shock to
the Irish, WHO DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES BRITISH. This is a major flaw at
the root of it. Finally, the Irish records available on line from Ireland,
show that the Milesian Legends claim a descent from Japheth NOT Shem.
Again, not a minor problem. Sincerely: An American of Irish ancestry.
Answers from Brit-Am:
You brought up a number of questions and quandaries:
a. "The problem however is the Irish (and the Highland Scots for that
matter) were persecuted beyond measure. They never shared in the supposed
prosperity promised to Israel's Lost Tribes."
Answer: Not exact. Ireland through much of its history was not necessarily
less well off than England apart from exceptional periods that had the
effect of causing the Irish to migrate to Britain, America, Australia, etc
where they contributed to and did share in the prosperity of those places.
"Ireland's population was halved by the famine": Disasters struck
everybody. We consider things from a historical perspective over large
stretches of time. This is no comfort to those who suffered but it does say
something. Even the Jews who were persecuted and degraded all the time by
everybody nearly everywhere they went were nevertheless better off than
MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: The gist of the blessings was that they would begin
to reveal themselves towards the END of TIMES:
<<AND JACOB CALLED UNTO HIS SONS, AND SAID, GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER,
THAT I MAY TELL YOU THAT WHICH SHALL BEFALL YOU IN THE LAST DAYS>> [Genesis
b. Highlanders versus Lowlanders:
Answer: Not exact. Amongst the Highlanders there were divisions concerning
religion: Catholicism versus Presbyterianism.
c. Now, if the Celts are the lost Tribes,
with promises given to them by
God then why are Scotland and Wales still under subjugation to the English
(essentially Germanics, not Celts)?
Answer: My understanding is that most Scotsmen and Welsh would prefer it
that way. Only through union with England were they able to express
themselves and become part of something they believed in and had MORE than
their relative share in creating and enjoying. Many Irish in Britain and in
the British Armed Forces felt the same way. Brit-Am studies would not agree
with the definition of the English as "Germanics".
d. Why is Ulster still under British
Answer: Why not? I could loose supporters through saying this but my
PRIVATE opinion is that not only Ulster should remain British but the whole
of Ireland should be subservient (at least in foreign and defence policies)
Perspective: Before the Second World War southern Ireland was still under
British Rule but there was an Irish underground movement led by de Valera.
Rabbi Herzog in Ireland was for Irish independence and once saved the life
of de Valera who was his friend. Then came Irish independence and after
that the Second World War. Thousands of Irishmen crossed the sea and joined
the British forces. Ireland itself however was pro-Nazi. Rabbi Herzog
begged de Valera to accept Jewish refugees and in the end de Valera allowed
seven (sic. only 7 but even for that we should be thankful!) Jewish
dentists (of which there was a shortage) to enter the country. On the other
hand Britain accepted 40,000 Jewish refugees into Britain, assisted another
40,000 to get to America, and about another 40,000 to find refuge in other
parts of the world, and fought the war and in some way it was partly by
virtue of Britain that every Jews who was saved survived. There was ALSO a
lot of anti-Semitism amongst the British and THEY COULD HAVE AND SHOULD
HAVE DONE MORE.
In my book "The Tribes" I wrote at length on this issue and I did not hide
the existence of anti-Semitism amongst the British. On the contrary I
discussed and emphasized it. But we also have to take things into perspective.
e. If the Celts are the Lost Tribes
shouldn't the capital of the world be
Aberdeen or Dublin, NOT London or Washington?
Answer: The Lost Ten tribes are in the west but out of the Lost Ten Tribes
the head tribe is Joseph through whom the blessings and essence of Jacob
have to find their fullest expression.
f. Jeremiah brought the royal Judah
line to Ireland therefore the British
are the Lost Tribes. This must be a shock to the Irish, WHO DO NOT CONSIDER
Answer: First of all the idea that Jeremiah came westward is not our idea.
It is not a Brit-Am belief. We are skeptical on this point. Secondly the
Scots from Ireland moved to Scotland. People move around. We identify the
southern Irish primarily with the Tribes of Simeon and Dan and other
non-Israelite elements. At one stage there were also many from Joseph but
they mostly moved out.
g. The Irish records available on line
from Ireland, show that the Milesian
Legends claim a descent from Japheth NOT Shem.
Answer: True in part. Maybe not all the southern Irish are from Israel but
only part of them. Irish records were written down in accordance with
prevailing Church doctrine and conventional understanding at the time. We
have however discussed Irish traditions in our book, "Lost Israelite
Identity. The Hebrew Ancestry of Celtic Races" by Yair Davidy, Jerusalem,
1996 and in the series "Various Traditions" we posted on our brit-am e-mail
discussion list and that can still be viewed on our web site. The
upshot is that Irish Chronicles go OUT OF THEIR WAY to allow the
possibility that at least part of their ancestors derive from Israel.
2. Letter from Liz.
At 21:37 11/08/2002 -0700, LIZ wrote:
>I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE BRIT- AM.
>I TRULY ENJOY YOUR WRITING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR HELPING US
>(EPHAMITES) BE MORE INFORM.
>I HAVE BEEN MARRIED TO A JEWISH MAN FOR 30 YEARS. I WAS SAVED 12 YEARS
>AGO, AND HASHEM HAS PLACED IN MY HEART A BURDEN FOR ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH
>PEOPLE. FOR 10 YEARS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS BURDEN,
>THEREFORE, I JUST PRAYED FOR ISRAEL AND STUDIED. LAST YEAR HASHEM
>CALLED ME TO TEACH A HEBREW CLASS IN MY CHURCH. THIS CLASS NOW, HAS
>BEEN ADDED TO THE REGULAR SUNDAY SCHOOL CURRICULUM. OUR CHURCH HAS
>EXPANDED TO ADD A REJOICE DANCE TEAM, A SHOFAR CLASS, AND WE CELEBRATED
>PASSOVER THIS YEAR WITH 200 IN ATTENDANCE. NOT BAD FOR A SOUTHERN BAPTIST
>I STAND AMAZE SEEING ALL THAT ELOHIM IS DOING IN OUR MIST. I PRAY THAT
>YOUR MESSAGE WILL REACH ALL THE CORNERS OF THE WORLD, AND THAT OUR
>BROTHERS UNITED WITH ISRAEL.....
>GOD BLESS YOU
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-71
Thanks for your emails. I too questioned your previous writers assumption
that our Thanksgiving was similar to Israel's Yom Kippur. How can a feast as
Thanksgiving coincide with a time of fasting and repentance?
Certainly our Thanksgiving more aptly matches Israel's Sukkot. A time of
ingathering and thankfulness.
Thanks for your emails.
4. Early Massachusetts and Connecticut
Subject: correction to early posting
In a recent posting ( Early USA and
Israel ) I inadvertently left a section
unfinished. The complete quote follows:
The legal codes of colonial Massachusetts
and Connecticut were based
the legal framework of the Five Books of Moses. Sir William Bradford,
second governor of the Plymouth colony, observing that Hebrew was the
Lord's own language, introduced his History of the Plymouth Plantation with
passages in Hebrew.
Im lo achshav, eimatei ? ( if not now, when ? )
5. Edom = Turkey?
From: Dennis McGinlay
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-72
I had understood from previous teaching that Edom was the forefather of the
Turks. 'red and hairy'. If this IS so, would go a long way to explain the
long coveted and eventual occupation of Jerusalem and 'Palastine' by that
people. 'A throwing off of the yolk?' Please comment
Answer: Maybe. The Turks have lived
by the sword like Esau. They once had a
and important kingdoms in Central Asia etc. They are reputedly the most
hairy people in the world.
Some are reddish though most are not.
Even so, something does not come together.
More points are needed to make such an identification stick.
Edom suits the Germans better: A tradition, ancestral names, twin brother
of Jacob (like him yet different),
insatiable war-lust, ruler of other peoples, inherent "superior" qualities
that make him think HE should have the
birthright, etc. Isaac initially preferred Esau over Jacob. It was not for
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