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Brit-Am Now no. 1670.
Movement of the Ten Tribes of Israel.
22 March 2011, 16 Adar-Sheni 5772.
Contents:
1. "Globetrotter" : Thoughts on Ephraim and Manasseh.
2. Brian Sandridge: The US is Ephraim!!!
3. B Must Know if descended from King David!!
4. Answer to Question About How "Lost" Scripture says the Israelites would be.
5.Brian Patmore: Re Saul and Mordecai, Obedience pays!
6. Manasseh Remains in Control! Answer to Query from Max Rambow.
7. Important New DNA Article:
YDNA Haplogroups Determined by Climate!
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1. "Globetrotter" : Thoughts on Ephraim and Manasseh.
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1669
#4. Ephraim also in USA? Perhaps Ephraim is Numerically greater in America than Manasseh?
http://britam.org/now2/1669Now.html#Ephraim
Shalom Yair
In addition to the prophecy and wording of Gen 48:19, Moses adds greater detail in the Book of Deuteronomy.
Deu 33:17(NKJV) His [Joseph's] glory is like a firstborn bull, And his horns like the [two] horns of the wild ox [interestingly the KJV renders this 'unicorns']; TOGETHER with THEM HE shall PUSH THE PEOPLES (Heb. 'am - refers to both Israelites & Goyim) TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; They are the TEN THOUSANDS of Ephraim, And they are the THOUSANDS of Manasseh."
Manasseh would become a great single nation, yes, while Ephraim would be greater but more dispersed as a 'multitude', or close-knit 'handful' of nations (cf. Strong H4393).
In pure numerical terms and if Ephraim is broadly the UK + offshoots and Manasseh broadly the USA, that would make America more populous than Britain and the 'handful of dominions' (Canada, Australia etc.) put together. On this point alone some have argued that America is in fact Ephraim. While many Americans are of other national and racial pedigree (i.e. non-Israelite or non-Ephraim/Manasseh), I once heard/read somewhere that certain regions of America (e.g. the Appalachians) were more 'British/Ephraimite' in origin -- although I would gladly bow to those with greater geographic/cultural knowledge here.
The main point I am making, and if we are to take the Bible more literally in this regard, the descendants of Ephraim would be up to 10 times greater in number than those of (pure) Manasseh. Moreover since the latter day groupings of Israelite tribes will be far more 'mixed up' than at the time of the monarchies (they lost their true identity after all - Hos 1:9, Amos 9:9 etc.), I suspect that the numbers and influence of Ephraim amongst the other tribes (especially 'brother' Manassites) is far more pervasive than might first appear. Finally in 'pushing the peoples' to the ends of the earth many from colonising Ephraim in particular would remain and thrive for a time amongst the peoples they 'pushed' (e.g. India and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, before the recent problems).
Regards
John
2. Brian Sandridge: The US is Ephraim!!!
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1669
#4. Ephraim also in USA? Perhaps Ephraim is Numerically greater in America than Manasseh?
http://britam.org/now2/1669
Now.html#Ephraim
Ephraim the younger brother is USA, and the elder is Britain. Do not be tricked by the world's name of "Commonwealth" of Britain. Truly the United StateSSS are an actua commonwealth. We have inherited the Stars promise made to Abraham, as seen on our flag. Manasseh, too will be Great. GREAT Britain it is in the name. HW Armstrong got this small detail wrong. But the contortion needed to rectify the young and the elder need not be undertaken if we recognize Ephraim as America. Plus, Manasseh like Britain has land on both sides of the Jordan (Atlantic), and to the north of Ephraim (Canada). The war between them in which Shibboleth was pronounced or not was as the war of 1812. Ephraim declared war on Manasseh because Manasseh fought without calling on Ephraim. Britain stood alone against Napoleon, and then America declared war on Britain. And only our accent differentiates us! Shibboleth.
3. B Must Know if descended from King David!!
B wrote:
I must know if H is of The House of David, before I can allow myself emotional involvement in all of this. It is very, very important to me, for me to know, if this is truly my family. I want it to be, and I hope it is. Please reply. Could you refer me to the surnames? Thank you,
Brit-Am Reply:
I do not know whether or not you descend from David.
It could be.
We cannot help you with your surname.
There may well be millions of descendants of David in the world today [Jeremiah 33:22].
http://www.britam.org/Proof/
Attributes/roleDavid.html
Even so, only a few Jewish families have definite traditions that they descend from David.
Even these traditions are not accepted by everyone.
THE HOUSE OF DAVID AND THE LOST TRIBES
http://www.britam.org/Tribesman/
GeneaologyDavid.html
King David & Your Ancestry! THE HOUSE OF DAVID by Athol Bloomer
http://www.britam.org/Tribesman/
AncestryAthol.html
David was a descendant of Judah.
Do you wish to identify with the Tribe of Judah?
To our mind what should be important at present is your Israelite Ancestry and helping to spread this knowledge to others who also descend from Israel.
4. Answer to Question About How "Lost" Scripture says the Israelites would be.
Shalom Yair,
are there any verses in the tanach that states the 10 tribes would completely loose their identity to the point they would actually not know at some point in history that they are in fact hebew.
Todah
Claude
Brit-Am Reply:
The Ten Tribes are described as having been "lost" in the Land of Assyria [Isaiah 27:13], and as having been separate in specific regions and somewhat antagonistic to Judah (Isaiah 11:12-13). When the Ten Tribes return Judah will have trouble in accepting and recognizing them (Isaiah 49:21).
The Ten Tribes will have been divorced (Jeremiah 3:8) for a time from the God of Israel and considered not my people [Hosea 1:9] but rather the sons of Gomer (Hosea chapter 1 and 2).
I do not know whether or not it says expressly that they would ever loose their identity as to not knowing about their Hebrew ancestry but it is strongly implied that such would be the case.
Sources:
See:
Separate from Judah
http://www.britam.org/Proof/
Attributes/roleSeparate.html
[Isaiah 11:12]
"AND HE SHALL SET UP AN ENSIGN FOR THE NATIONS, AND SHALL ASSEMBLE THE OUTCASTS OF ISRAEL, AND GATHER TOGETHER THE DISPERSED OF JUDAH FROM THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH "
[Isaiah 11:13]
"THE ENVY ALSO OF EPHRAIM SHALL DEPART, AND THE ADVERSARIES OF JUDAH SHALL BE CUT OFF: EPHRAIM SHALL NOT ENVY JUDAH, AND JUDAH SHALL NOT VEX EPHRAIM "
These verses are understood to mean that the Outcasts of Israel will be together in specific regions whereas Judah will have been scattered. Also a certain degree of antagonism will have existed between the two until the very end.
Unknown to Judah
http://www.britam.org/Proof/
Attributes/roleUnknown.html
The Lost Ten Tribes will return. The Jews of Judah will meet the return of the Lost Ten Tribes with mixed reactions:
[Isaiah 49:21]
Then you will say in your heart,
'Who has begotten these for me,
Since I have lost my children and am desolate,
A captive, and wandering to and fro,
And who has brought these up?
There I was, left alone;
But these, where were they?'
Also the Ten Tribes are described in the Hebrew Bible as having been "lost" in the Land of Assyria.
AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY, THAT THE GREAT TRUMPET [in Hebrew "Shofar" i.e. ram's horn] SHALL BE BLOWN, AND THEY SHALL COME WHICH WERE READY TO PERISH (Hebrew: "Ovdim" also translatable as they who were lost?) IN THE LAND OF ASSYRIA (i.e. Lost Ten Tribes), AND THE OUTCASTS (i.e. Jewish Captives) IN THE LAND OF EGYPT, AND SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD IN THE HOLY MOUNT AT JERUSALEM [Isaiah 27:13].
Gomer
http://www.britam.org/Proof/
Attributes/roleGomer.html
5. Brian Patmore: Re Saul and Mordecai, Obedience pays!
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1669
#7. Thomas Malloy: Purim study
http://britam.org/now2/
1669Now.html#Thomas
Shalom Yair,
As I read some time ago Haman the Agagite was a descendant of Agag the Amalekite king whom Abba ordered King Shaul to kill along with all his people, cattle, crops, buildings to leave the land as if the Amalekites had not existed.
However King Shaul and his men relented and even restored Agag's property etc to him.
However the Navi/Prophet of Yisrael, on orders from Abba, killed Agag in Shaul's court/presence.
Unfortunately for poor old Mordechai he happened to be a descendant of the Holy Prophet of Yisrael.
Hence the attitude Haman had towards Mordechai was understandable as well as towards all Yahudim.
If Shaul had obeyed Abba he would have not been replaced by David and Mordechai as well as ourselves would not have to face the murderous attitudes of the Amalekites today. Obedience pays doesn't it?
Is there a lesson in all of that or not ? I will leave it to the reader to determine.
Shalom again and keep up the good work Yair.
Brian
6. Manasseh Remains in Control! Answer to Query from Max Rambow.
I've come to wonder if Ephraimites do not predominate in US gov't elites? What do you think?
Max
Brit-Am Reply:
Could be.
Elites exist. This is a recognized field of Political Science.
We find that people with the most influence, power, and wealth, etc often went to the same schools, come from the same socio-econmomic class, etc. There are rational explanations for this. It is not Conspiracy Theory.
Sometimes other factors are involved.
In history one sometimes finds that a very exceptional proportion of people who were important in some movement or event etc came from the same little village or attended the same school or were distantly related to each other.
Amongst US Presidents we find that more than 80% were of predominant Scotch-Irish ancestry.
Their ancestors migrated from Ulster.
[J.F.K. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton however came from Irish Catholic or Southern Irish forefathers as did some others.]
Analysis of the family trees of US Presidents shows that quite a few were related somehow or other to each other.
Concerning the USA however our present line of though tends ton the understanding that Manasseh predominates in those fields that determine the national characteristics. Numerically Ephraim may be in the majority but Manasseh remains in control.
7. Important New DNA Article:
YDNA Haplogroups Determined by Climate!
http://www.britam.org/Climate.html
[Well illustrated with several maps.]
Extracts:
YDNA Haplogroups Determined by Climate!
YDNA haplogroups are those transmitted by the male line.
DNA in effect is a sequence of genetic information.
Our understanding is that man was created with adaptation abilities.
Changes take place in response to environmental influences.
Once the changers are set in place they will continue through heredity until new changes occur.
This from a biological point of view was explained by Lee M. Spetner ("Not by Chance," 1996).
Genes (DNA) switch on and off. Once the switch is thrown the change is inherited until the switch is thrown again.
The changes on the whole take place quickly in one or sometimes a few generations. They are usually not slow 'evolutions'.
... We were arguing that physical features such as color and Y (male) DNA haplogroups are initially determined by environment.
This should not be considered such a revolutionary suggestion since much has been written on it. Concerning physical features it is more or less agreed that environment is a determinative factor.
It is also agreed that environment helps determine mt(Female-transmitted)DNA.
It is agreed that YDNA Haplogroups become more complex according to the climate.
There is therefore a correlation between haplogroup complexity and climate.
Haplogroup differences are a function of climatic variation.
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