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Shalom Yair,
If, as X says, that the Founders of modern day Israel planned to drive the Christian & Muslim Arabs out of Palestine, then this was a type of genocide. As every Jew is aware the Covanent that God made with Israel is conditional.
The blessings were conditioned on the obedience of Israel. Israel violated that covenant and therefore the blessings did not flow to modern day Israel.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. (Exodus 19:5-8 AV)
The Book of Nehemiah is a book that ALL Jews, Orthodox, Conservative & liberal should read, for it sets out the conditions that were needed for Jerusalem to be rebuilt. The Hebrew for Nehemiah is Nehemyah, "Comfort of Yahweh". From what X says, we can take it that the Founding Fathers of New Israel were mostly atheists, so New Israel does not come under the requirements of the Covenant. What do yo think of that statement?
Larry
You previously sent me an extract saying that the leaders of
Zionism in Israel discriminated against Religious Jews and Jews who were elderly
or other wise less suitable for settling the Land. It was claimed that the Zionist
Leaders in what was then "Palestine" did not do enough. A few of them also made
statements that in light of what we know now presents them in a very negative
light.
This is all true in its relevant context.
That is the whole point.
Taken on the whole: They did not do enough but they did more than anyone else.
They were there to help when others were not.
This should not be forgotten.
The truth does not need to be concealed. Everything deserves to studied and
every crime and failing recorded.
Nevertheless it all needs to be seen as part of an overall picture.
The Zionist leaders helped save Jews including Religious Jews, elderly Jews and
all other kinds of Jews.
Here and there they may have said or did things that were negative but the main
point must not be ignored.
To put it very simply:
If in one instance they saved a 100 from extermination they deserve credit.
The fact that with a little more effort, a more positive approach, less prejudice,
etc, they may have been able (who knows?) to save 101, or 110 (instead of just a 100) is
important.
Nevertheless, the fact that they did save the 100 when no-one else would have done so
needs to be kept in mind.
(2) Cheapening of Genocide Intentions.
You equate the alleged planned expulsion of Arabs as the equivalent
of Genocide.
This is a cheapening of those acts of Genocide that really did take place and
that were intended against the Jewish People.
The Germans and their allies did wish to wipe out the Jewish People and were
partially successful.
The Arabs wanted and still want to exterminate the Jews.
Historically a few Zionist leaders may have considered at times expelling the
Arabs.
They should have done so.
It is what the Bible commands us to do.
Expulsion is not extermination.
In some circumstances expulsion may be the only alternative to bloodshed.
See our articles on this matter:
"They Must Go!"
Proposed Movement of Arab Populations.
http://www.britam.org/Expulsion.html
(3) Atheism and Zionism.
Contrary to what is frequently claimed,
The Return to the Land of Israel was initiated and sustained by Religious
God-fearing Jews. It still is.
It was supported by Religious God-fearing Gentiles descended from the Ten
Tribes. It still is.
See:
"The Vision Was There. A History of the British Movement for the Restoration of
the Jews to Palestine" by Franz Kobler
http://www.britam.org/vision/koblercontents.html
http://www.britam.org/vision/Kobler.pdf
There were and are also atheistic and secular forces present.
These are sometimes positive and at other times detrimental.
Even these secular and apparently negative elements are often driven by
subconscious positive forces.
If you need a doctor, lawyer, or plumber you will not employ someone who is
liable to exploit your trust and susceptibility to hurt you.
A minimum level of moral dependability is to be expected.
Beyond that you will want someone who knows what to do and who will do it.
An exact correspondence between oneself and the other in religious matters,
political opinions, etc will not usually be required.
If we do what we have to do we may merit that the powers of good prevail
everywhere in everybody.
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