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Brit-Am Now no. 1785.
Movement of the Ten Tribes of Israel.
2 December 2011, 6 Kislev 5772.
Contents:
1. Questions about the Tribe of Dan and other matters.
(a) The Term Gentiles.
(b) The Snake Symbol
(c) Giants
(d) The Tribe of Dan.
(e) Descendants of Cain Do Not Exist!
2. The Terms Judah and Israel: Clarifying a Misconception.
3. Monte G. Salyer: Remarks on DNA and Israelite Tribal identifications.
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1. Questions about the Tribe of Dan and other matters.
CM wrote:
Hello!
Thanks for a very interesting website, what a great work you and
others have done. I have some questions that boggles my mind:
1. Who realy is the gentiles and what is the meaning of gentiles?
2. The tribe of Dan has some strange symbols as the snake, bull, lion
etc
isn't this the same symbols as of satan?
3. You mention somewere that the giants of the earth may have
devolved.
I thought they were all killed by the flood. How come they are
still here?
Are they the same size as ordinary men? And do they have all the
charcaristics
as 6 fingers, toes, double teethroows etc? And foremost do they
know who they are and then why dont they.
4. Do you know if the tribe of Dan could have decended from Cain?
Thanks for sharing and i hope you will fill in my blanks.
Dan from Sweden ( no joking)
Brit-Am Reply:
Shalom,
(a) The Term Gentiles.
The term Gentiles literally means peoples. It is usually taken to apply to non-Israelites.
(b) The Snake Symbol
As far as I know the Bible does not attribute any symbol to Satan.
Dan could be represented by either a snake or a lion.
[Genesis 49:17] Dan shall be a serpent by the way,
A viper by the path,
That bites the horse's heels
So that its rider shall fall backward.
[Deuteronomy 33:22] And of Dan he said:
Dan is a lion's whelp;
He shall leap from Bashan.
The snake (serpent) personified the Satan and deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).
The snake could therefore be considered an evil symbol.
The pagan Canaanites (and maybe idolatrous Israelites after them) had (amongst other things) a snake cult.
cf.
Nehushtan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehushtan
Snake cults had been well established in Canaan in the Bronze Age: archaeologists have uncovered serpent cult objects in Bronze Age strata at several pre-Israelite cities in Canaan: two at Megiddo,[2] one at Gezer,[3] one in the sanctum sanctorum of the Area H temple at Hazor,[4] and two at Shechem.[5]
We find however that the symbol of the serpent could also have good aspects. In the wilderness the Israelites were told to look at the bronze statue of a serpent to be cured of snake-bite (Numbers 21:4-9).
The name Nahshon (Nachshon) means "snake", "pertaining to a snake", or "little snake".
Nahshon son of Aminadav was the leader of the Tribes of Judah, Issachar, and Zebulon in the wilderness (Numbers 2:1-4).
An ancestor of David was named Nahshon (Hebrew: Nachshon) prince of the children of Judah (Ruth 4:20). This is presumed to be the same Nahshon as lead the host of Judah in the Wilderness.
There is also a concept that the Messiah may be represented by a snake.
There is a serpent of holiness and a serpent of impurity in opposition to it.
Too many people assume that Dan is negative.
This is not so.
(c) Giants
As for giants they no longer exist though they once did.
Goliath (1-Samuel 17:4) and his brother (1-Chronicles 20:5) were giants so was Og the King of Bashan (Deuteronomy 3:11). They lived well after the Flood.
Quite a few people are born with six fingers etc but usually have them cut off when young.
The Bible says that one giant also had six fingers (1-Chronicles 20:6) but this does not make it a characteristic unique to the giant race.
(d) The Tribe of Dan.
The Tribe of Dan according to the Bible descended from Israel. Jacob begat Dan by Bilhah (Genesis 30:5).
Dan was a tribe of Israel (Genesis 49:17).
It is a privilege to belong to the Tribe of Dan. Historically they were very important.
See our articles on this subject:
Articles on the Tribe of Dan
http://www.britam.org/DanContents.html
(e) Descendants of Cain Do Not Exist!
Cain did not have any descendants that are still existent in our time. They were all killed in the Flood (Genesis 7:23).
Keep away from people who say otherwise.
These are usually pagan no-goods who spread false doctrines.
They themselves hold ancient Gnosis type doctrines and deny the Bible.
2. The Terms Judah and Israel: Clarifying a Misconception.
Many have the idea that in Prophecy the term Israel refers to only the Ten Tribes. This is incorrect. In some cases it does but there are passages where it does not.
The term Israel can also encompass Judah or refer mainly to Judah.
It depends on what Biblical book is being considered and the context of the passage in question.
For example:
Ezra 2:2 2:59 2:70 3:1 etc, Ezekiel 2:3, 3:5 8:10 8:11 9:8 14:1, etc.
3. Monte G. Salyer: Remarks on DNA and Israelite Tribal identifications.
From: "Monte G. Salyer"
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1784
Greetings, Yair,
As a professor with a Ph.D. in linguistics and a long-time Bible student, I am impressed with the knowledge base demonstrated at Brit-Am.
I'd also like to share two observations.
First, DNA science, while rapidly progressing, is still in its infancy, and so the findings in the field remain uncertain and susceptible to later reinterpretation, at least in some cases. My view is that even the best of DNA studies only reveal partial information, which can be viewed in many ways.
Second, due to much mixing of people groups over time, it is very difficult to ascertain just which tribe dominates any particular nation in Western Europe. Perhaps the prophet Daniel refers to the genetic mixing in this statement: "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay" (Daniel 2:43). I know the text is saying much more, but the phrase "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" is suggestive of the mixed and confusing genetic structure that challenges DNA science and makes matching a nation with a tribe difficult at best.
Brit-Am Reply:
We are strong critics of DNA Theory.
In the past the experts would present DNA findings in a way that suggested a contradiction to Brit-Am belief.
Nowadays the latest studies tend to confirm Brit-Am researches.
We can use their own findings and (for a change) say, "We told you so!"
DNA has much to offer but, as you say it, is difficult to decide where to draw the line.
As for the Tribes you have a good point.
On the one hand, there are definite cases where tribal identifications may be misleading.
For instance,
The Goths moved from north of the Black Sea to western Europe. Historians say that by the time they reached the west only about half of them derived from the original stock. The rest came from other peoples who had attached themselves to them.
So too in the history of Scythia and Central Asia we find peoples constantly switching names, adopting names of those they conquered, or were conquered by, or who dwelt in the region before them, or federated with them, etc. Sometimes the same people seem to have changed their name several times over within a relatively short period.
Peoples also intermarry and inter-mix, change their religion, language, and identity, etc.
On the other hand,
The Israelites were divided into Twelve Tribes each one of which had aspects of nations in their own right.
See:
BARS-11
Brit-Am Research Sources.
#1. Rabbinical Source says that Folk Differentiation of Each Tribe amongst the Ten Tribes was Predicted!
http://www.britam.org/BARS/BARS-11.html#1
If we can trace the Israelite Ancestry of different Peoples there is no reason why we should not also be able to show their Tribal affiliations.
Tribal Allocation goes through the male line. Our understanding of Biblical and Rabbinical sources is that the exiles would be located in certain specific regions concentrated in their own communities.
In our book "The Tribes" we speak of this at length.
http://britam.org/the-Tribes.html
A new edition of this work is in progress.
It is one of the strong points of our research.
Our findings have been confirmed and strengthened often by new research results.
Tribal identification is possible on a Scriptural and an historical basis. We can locate certain Tribes or elements (such as Tribal Clans) from them and trace their migrations.
Different tribes tended to stay together and even to re-coalesce after separation.
Until about 150 years ago more than 90% of world population would marry those who were within walking distance of their place of birth.
Peoples did keep together.
In the future the Israelites will inherit Lands within the region of great Israel according to their Tribes (Ezekiel ch.48).
The stranger who was not born an Israelite but identifies with them will receive a portion according to what Tribe he dwelt amongst (Ezekiel 47:23).
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