BAMAD-73. Brit-Am DNA and Anthropology Updates

BAMAD-73
Brit-Am DNA and Anthropology Updates
26 March 2010 11 Nissan 5670
Contents:
1. Question About Marrano (Spanish-Jewish) Ancestry and British Isles DNA Correspondences
2. Turks of Turkey are not Really Turks!!
Population history and substructure of Anatolia and Turkey as evidenced by craniofacial diversity.
3. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Queries and Remarks re DNA and the King of Egypt
4. Australian Aborigines DNA
5. The Y (male) haplogroups their mtDNA (Female) co-mates

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1. Question About Marrano (Spanish-Jewish) Ancestry and British Isles DNA Correspondences
Ailton daSilva wrote:

Shalom

My Name is Ailton Barros,

Some time ago i felt on me to understand what about the shofar, i bought one and start to learn because i did like the 4 traditions sounds. And then i found that Jewish use the tallit to play and i went to get one and start to study what about the Num chapter15:37, and then a just decide to go ahead and install the Jewish David Star on and in all over my house because i felt tremendous love for Israel people.I Decide to go ahead and learning about the Scriptures and i found the Isaias chapter 43 saying that " All the Sons of Israel should one day go Back). every thing seems to come to me till the time a heard that once in my family that is from Portugal and migrated to Brazil was at once Jewish. I felt some thing really strong inside me because was just kind to understand that " Is in my blood) and my blood was calling me for it and i new that G-D had some thing in special for me. I went to get DNA test and results saying that all my family is from the earliest settles people of Western Europe (Peninsula Iberian and all most my ancestral is living today on Britain Islands as England,Scotland,Ireland, and some large numbers they don't even know where that come from( Origin Unknown), so was kind to understand that because my family was registered as Jewish family entering in Brazil and can find many people of my name Barros as Jewish people including some was on the List for inquisition order by the catholic Church if not accept the Catholic Faith on that time, and many of may people was living as Cript-Judeo in Portugal.So i ask this for the DNA Genealogist and they told me that one of my GGGGFather could be Jewish because we can find some ashkenazi roots on my blood but not exactly match just because they said the Name Barros was too old living in the Western Europe which makes from Western Europe. So i don't want to look on the science to decide my Faith on my G-D, today i fell as Jewish .Could you help me to understand that ?........regards....

ailton bar ros

Brit-Am Reply:
Shalom,
Your letter tells us that your family was descended from Jews who had to pretend to be Catholics in order to escape the persecution, torture, and death
that prevailed in those times. The children of the Jewish community in Portugal were forcibly baptized and their parents had to follow in their steps.
Many people such as yourself amongst Latin-Hispanic nations are now awakening to their Jewish ancestry.
You took a DNA test and this showed connections with people in the British Isles. This is a known phenomenon. Many of the Marranos (descendants of Jews in Spain and Portugal who were forced to convert) have DNA results similar to those of "Gentile" families in Scotland and Ireland.
The similarity of Marrano DNA to people in the British Isles (London in England is also a center for this phenomenon) is far higher than that which pertains amongst Gentiles in the Iberian Peninsula.

We relate to DNA as some kind of combination between the environment and hereditary factors.
Unfortunately we cannot say much more than that. We simply do not know.

2. Turks of Turkey are not Really Turks!!
Population history and substructure of Anatolia and Turkey as evidenced by craniofacial diversity.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/
NORIKO SEGUCHI et al.
Extract:
Female crania show a distinctness with modern groups and are actually more similar to Neolithic European and Near Eastern populations. This would indicate a relatively stable female population in Anatolia since Neolithic times. Male crania are more heterogeneous and cluster within a larger geographic zone of Eurasia and the Near East consistent with greater male migration. There is little support for admixture from Central or East Asian groups. These results support the hypothesis for a Turkic language displacement with insignificant genetic exchange.

3. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Queries and Remarks re DNA and the King of Egypt
[ Brit-Am Note: For editorial reasons we have amalgamated two separate letters from Charlotte.]
re The Lost Ten Tribes and DNA
http://www.britam.org/DNAtentribes.html
Dear Yair,
I have been following your DNA section quite closely. Just recently, I received the info from National Geography Geno project. They had my Grandfather's line coming out of Africa into the Middle East then north then across to western Europe. It was very general. They say there are more of his haplo-group in Ireland but per population the greater percentage were from Spain.

They had more people with this haplo group in Ireland but they had many more people tested in Ireland than they do from Spain. That means they had a greater number there but the percentage was lower because of the few in number compared to the number tested. However, even though they had fewer people with that haplo group in Spain percentage wise it was greater than the number in Ireland because Spain had fewer people tested. I don't know if that could be an indication that they were in Spain before they got to Ireland. Also my grandpa's family were from Switzerland and the only other ones in his haplo from there are more Habeckers.

What I don't understand about this is why the center of the dispersion was not in the fertile crescent going into Africa as well as the other directions.

Then your article about King Tut was really interesting but also confusing. Grandpa's haplo group is exactly the same as King Tut. So it looks like there has been no change in the 4000 years since King Tut existed and now. Is this why the Geno project makes enormous numbers of years between ancestors and change. I can't understand why a plain R1b would not be earlier then and R1b1b2 because of the description of how it all works.

I do believe that the tests are probably reliable but the analysis is still out in left field. I know once scientist start in one direction on analysis, they seldom want to reverse what they think they found and re-analyze it.

I hope to do some more hunting about DNA. Are there other ancient mummies,bones that have been found in other parts of the world and also have had their DNA tested? It seems this would indicate a better basis for establishing where people come from.

Charlotte Mecklenburg

Brit-Am Replies:
If you look at the Wikipedia Article on R1b you will find that what is considered an early type of R1b is indeed found amongst some African populations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)
Extract:
# R1b* (that is R1b with no subsequent distinguishing SNP mutations) is extremely rare. Two cases were reported in a large study of Turkey.[4] In a study of Jordan it was found that no less than 20 out of all 146 men tested (13.7%), including most notably 20 out of 45 men tested from the Dead Sea area....an equally surprising 14 out of 26 (54%) of Sudanese Fulani ...#

R1b1b2 is the predominant DNA haplogroup in Western Europe. It used to be assumed that it somehow evolved in Spain.
It is now acknowledged that R1b (the parent type) originated in the Middle East Region of which the Land of Israel is a part.
It now seems that R1b1b2 originated in the Middle East and only later moved westward.

DNA study of ancient remains for the male YDNA chromosome is apparently extremely difficult and expensive. It is also uncertain or was until recently.
That is why there are so few YDNA reports of ancient remains. The recent examination of the remains of King Tut was an exception and something of a scientific -technological breakthrough. That is an additional reason (apart from the obvious historical implications) that it aroused so much interest.
Female mtDNA is apparently farm ore stable and far easier to examine on ancient remains.
We, in BAMAD, Brit-Am DNA and Anthropology Updates, are usually up-to-date with the latest developments.

4. Australian Aborigines DNA
Could not find much concrete information about the haplogroups of Australian Aborigines
Based on the Y DNA Map at:
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf
60% C, 25% K, 10% R#

Based on the Y DNA Map at:
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf
mtDNA N 60% 30% P

Wikipedia YDNA C
Y DNA #Haplogroup C being found at high frequency among the Australian aborigines, Polynesians, Vietnamese, Kazakhs, Mongolians, Manchurians, Koreans, and indigenous inhabitants of the Russian Far East and at moderate frequencies elsewhere throughout Asia and Oceania, including India and Southeast Asia.

Wikipedia YDNA K
Haplogroups K1, K2, K3 and K4 are found only at low frequency in South Asia, the Malay Archipelago, Oceania, and Australia.

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)
However, most of the rare forms of Haplogroup R chromosomes, as well as most cases of the closely related Haplogroup Q, are found among populations of Central Asia, South Asia, Australia, Siberia, Native Americans, and Cameroon.

Some instances of Haplogroup R* have been reported from samples of Australian aboriginal populations.

mtDNA
http://wikidoc.org/index.php/Haplogroup
The N type consists of everyone else, including nearly all Europeans, West Asians, North Africans, and Australian aborigines as well as many East Asians, South Asians, Amerindians (containing a majority of north and central Amerindians and a minority of south Amerindians), and Polynesians.

In contrast, the varieties of the N group that do not belong to the R group contain the majority of Australian aborigines, the majority of north and central Amerindians, and some East Siberians.

http://spittoon.23andme.com/2009/07/24/direct-genetic-link-between-australia-and-india-provides-new-insight-into-the-origins-of-australian-aborigines/
Kumar led the extraction and analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from nearly 1,000 individuals from Indian relic [primitive aboriginal-like tribes in central and eastern India] populations. For comparison, they used Australian Aboriginal DNA data that had already been analyzed and published by colleagues. After comparing the two groups, they came to a startling conclusion: two specific genetic mutations on the mtDNA of the Indian and aboriginal samples matched perfectly. Not only that, but these particular mutations do not exist elsewhere in the world; they are shared exclusively between a few isolated tribes in India and native Australians.

http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/2006/04/uniqueness-of-australian-aboriginal.html
Researchers analysed the DNA of more than 120 Aboriginal people and compared it with the DNA of indigenous people in the region, including Papua New Guinea, Malaysia and the Andaman Islands off the coast of India.

A Sydney scientist, Sheila van Holst Pellekaan, said her team found the Aboriginal people could be grouped into five genetic haplogroups, or super families, that were very distinct from their regional neighbours.

The most ancient lineages, two super families dubbed A and B, were widespread across Australia. People living in western NSW and the north of the country belonged to super family C, while people in central Australia belonged to the D and E groups.
As expected, very ancient connections with people in India, South-East Asia and PNG were evident in the DNA of the Aboriginal people.

The C and E groups, for example, shared a genetic similarity with a super family in PNG known as P.

#- Analysis of genetic distance between population groups puts Aboriginals genetically closer to Europeans than either are to Africans#
http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=104903&start=50

5. The Y (male) haplogroups their mtDNA (Female) co-mates
mtDNA
http://wikidoc.org/index.php/Haplogroup
The very rough overlaps between Y-DNA haplogroups and mtDNA haplogroups are as follows: 95124
Y-DNA haplogroup(s) mtDNA haplogroup(s) Geographical area and/or peoples
A L0, L1 South Africa, Khoisan
B L2 Pygmies and related people
E1, E2, E3a L3 Sub-Saharan Africa, especially the Bantus
NO/N/O CZ/C/Z, D, G (M types) East Asia, Siberia
K, M (M9-positive, M45-negative) R, P (N types), Q (M type) as well as various Oceanian-specific M subclades Oceania
R, I, J HV/H/V, JT/J/T, U/K (N types) Europe, West Asia
Q A, X, Y (N types), C, D (M types) Easternmost Siberia, the Americas

Brit-Am Note:
This was the entry for Europe, West Asia:
R, I, J HV/H/V, JT/J/T, U/K (N types)

It suggests that YDNA haplogroups R, I, J my be somehow related
and may be important in determining an environmental factor in determining DNA
or else an Assyrian "Sennacherib" effect i.e. deliberate confusion of the races in the distant past by some imperial power.

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