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The Jews Need Joseph and Brit-Am Teachings!
Brit-Am Discussed on Important Jewish Nationalist Blog
Introduction: The Three Letters.
"British Israelism" and anti-Semitism
"Brit" and "Britain"
Herbert W. Armstrong and Brit-Am
The Jews, Qualities of Esau, and Joseph
Continuation of the Thread and Brit-Am as an Issue
The Jews Need Joseph:
A Debate Amongst Jewish Patriots!
Brit-Am Discussed on Important
Jewish Nationalist Blog
Introduction: The Three Letters
The Blog JTF.ORG [The Official Forum of The Jewish Task Force and
is a Jewish Site whose members mostly adhere to the beliefs of Rabbi Mair Kahane.
It looks interesting.
The beliefs of Brit-Am were mentioned in the thread
# Poor, sad, dancing Israeli soldiers #
This centered around a discussion as to whether or not the Jews are
sufficiently "tough" enough.
The Sages identified Esau (pronounced as "Esav" and equivalent with Edom) the
brother of Jacob as forefather of the Romans and Germans and other warrior
nations. The question is open as to whether they meant it literally (that all of
them were physical descendants) or partially (only the leadership)
or symbolically i.e. they had the characteristics.
It is assumed that Esau was originally supposed to have been part of the
Israelite Nation but he went away and rejected participation. He became a
renegade. An initiator of the thread ("Wonga") said it was a pity we had lost
Esau since the Jews could have used some of the military prowess and aptitude
that the assumed descendants of Esau have displayed. This opinion was applied to
and debated. As is the nature of such discussions quite a few side issues were
brought up and then (on the eighth page) the beliefs of Brit-Am were recalled.
Below are three letters that discussed Brit-Am and an extract from another
letter on the thread that we feel is pertinent though it was not intended for
The first letter from Wonga mentions Brit-Am favorably:
Reply #110 on: July 09, 2010, 08:36:51 AM ?
of Jerusalem, who is a shtickel
[piece of, exemplification? here connoting "genuine"]
presents much cogent Chazal
[Talmudic Sages], historical, and prophetic evidence that many European nations
are in fact of Ten Lost Tribe ancient Israelite origin in his books and site
The second letter criticizes Brit-Am and comes from
"That "British Israelite" theory has long been discredited.
It originated in the UK in the 1800's when Imperialists ruling the world sought
to "justify" their enslavement and "rape" of Asia and North America by trying to
"prove" that they were in actuality the nation Israel.
The unfortunate remnants of "British
survive today in the fringe lunatic groups calling themselves the "Christian
Identity" Movement - claiming that only the pure Aryan races are the true Jews,
and that all the other Jews who've been around since time immemorial are merely
I've read Davidy's
"research", which is really little more than a collection of neologisms at
worst, and absurd folk tales at best.
Not a single shred of credible documentation to be found anywhere, yet
goes on lecture tours and speaking engagements "proving" he's found the Lost
Tribes in the white people of Western Europe.
His "proofs" are
based on such ridiculousness as claiming that Britain is a Lost Tribe of Israel
- the "proof" offered being that since the first four letters of the English
word 'Britain' spell "Brit", which when pronounced in Hebrew means 'covenant',
this "proves" that the English actually are one of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Pure foolishness by a pseudo-scholar unable to distinguish between
It is not to the credit of the State of Israel that so many wild eyed "frum
fakirs" have made it their home - the place is literally crawling with "Illiterati".
His "beliefs" are almost word for word the lectures of the late Herbert W.
Armstrong's World Wide Church of G-d.
and credible research are required to "convince" me, especially when it is so
obvious that someone hasn't the slightest idea of what they are claiming.
I have read all of Davidy's
material, and heard him interviewed on
and spent time on his website, and he has absolutely no credibility.
Whatever else he might be, he is not someone to be taken as a serious scholar
either of Jewish or world history."
The Third letter from Wonga defends Brit-Am
Re: Poor, sad, dancing Israeli soldiers
Reply #119 on: July 09, 2010, 10:19:05 AM.
Whilst I don't
agree with all his conclusions, this is not the 'British-Israelitism'
of the Victorians, & Davidy's
stuff is far from being discredited, he being an Orthodox
Jew, and bringing full support from
especially the prophecies about the world-rulership
of the tribe of Ephraim & the return of the
So who do you believe the TLTs
are: the Falashan
negroes?! The American Indians?! The Japanese?!
Rabbi Meir Khazane (1932-1990)
was assassinated in Brooklyn, New York by an Arab Terrorist, El Sayyid Nosair,
an Egyptian-born American citizen . The defence of Nosair was funded by the
Egyptian Embassy. The jury was comprised of colored people who acquitted Nosair
of murder but the DA office managed to convict him on other charges.
Rabbi Kahane believed in Jewish pride, Jewish self-defence, and in Israel he
advocated transfer of the Arabs and establishment of a State run according to
Many Israelis also believe in these principles but few of them would describe
themselves as "Kahanists". The principles are valid independently of Rabbi
Kahane. Yair Davidiy has close friends who were and are disciples of Rabbi
Kahane but Yair himself would not necessarily fit the accepted psychological mould
though ideologically we agree.
Regarding the letter from "MassuhDGoodName":
Belief in Israelite origins
Belief in Israelite origins in Britain goes right back at least to the
500s CE and the time of Gildas.
The British Empire
The British Empire on the whole was a very beneficial entity. We need
something like that now. The USA could use an ally. How else do you expect to
keep maniacal genocidal haters of the West and USA Islamic nations under control
unless you rule over them?
What is better from a humanitarian point of view:
Allowing states such as Sudan to exterminate and enslave its non-Arabic citizens
or having a benevolent colonial body (such as the British Empire was) keep
everybody in place while maintaining minimum standards of physical well-being
and respect for innate human dignity?
It is true that the beliefs of "British Israelism" today have been
adopted and perverted by nasty anti-Semitic organisms.
Statistically however MOST believers in Israelite Ancestry are sympathetic
towards the Jews and support the State of Israel. Historically a good number of
"Anglo" Gentiles who supported Zionism and were important in their time also held such beliefs, though there were
# little more than a collection of
neologisms at worst, and absurd folk tales at best.#
A neologism is the use of words that only have meaning to the person who uses
"MassuhDGoodName" himself is here guilty of a neologism since no-one apart from
himself understands what he is referring to, and even that is doubtful!
"Brit" and "Britain"
# Brit-Am "proofs"
are based on such ridiculousness as claiming that Britain is a Lost Tribe of
Israel - the "proof" offered being that since the first four letters of the
English word 'Britain' spell "Brit", which when pronounced in Hebrew means
'covenant', this "proves" that the English actually are one of the Lost Tribes
of Israel. #
Maybe we did mention the similarity between "brit" and "Britain". In
Medieval times Britain was referred to as Britammia and in the Hebrew Bible
(Isaiah 42:6, 49:8) refers to the Lost Tribes as a "Brit-Am" meaning Covenant of the
Brit-Am and Britammia are in effect the same name.
We thought this fact worth mentioning and as we emphasize over and over again
each and every proof needs to be considered in the context of the overall body
of evidence and not isolated.
Biblical Geographical Evidence: Brit-Am
Herbert W. Armstrong and Brit-Am
# His "beliefs" are almost word for word the lectures of the late Herbert W.
Armstrong's World Wide Church of G-d. #
Herbert W. Armstrong wrote about the Lost Ten Tribes. He was inspired by
those who went before him (such as John H. Allen) but presented it in his own
way. His Church organization distributed millions of copies of his writings and
did much to spread awareness of the Ten Tribes being found amongst Western
Nations. He also had on his staff scholars such as Herman Hoehe, Raymond McNair,
Dibar Apartian, and others.
Brit-Am would probably agree with most applications of Hebrew Biblical ("Old
Testament") verses to the Lost Ten Tribes made by Herbert Armstrong and his
team. [There are some points where we differ on Tribal identifications etc but
these are secondary considerations.]
We also agree with most of their "secular" historical explanations.
We see nothing wrong in this.
In addition to that however Brit-Am has added much more.
We have added or expanded on straightforward Biblical evidence.
We have also shown how Rabbinical sources justify our conclusions and add much
In the field of secular studies we have merited to receive or come across much
new evidence and we still do.
Herbert W. Armstrong continued a field of study that had been viable and vibrant
long before him. We are doing the same.
"MassuhDGoodName" seems to be one of those people who do not want to believe,
who have prior prejudices, and will always be prepared to deny what truths we
may present them.
The Jews, Qualities of
Esau, and Joseph
In this thread other matters were brought up.
BT (Reply #107) said (amongst other things):
# In any case, all of this departs from the point of what I was saying which is
that there is no question that non-Jews/Europeans (even descendants of
if you want to call them that) are non-Jews and Jews are Jews. You are
conflating Europeans with Jews for some strange reason. Jews are supposed to
have their own nation and with that nation they can provide for themselves,
defend themselves, do all the things that all men are capable of. We do not
need to farm out anything-other-than-learning as if we are incapable to live on
our own and with G-d's
help. There was a time when the great
[Talmudic Sages] worked for a living and learned trades, and fought in battle,
and they would think you are nuts for saying these things. But you see the
present-day reality when many so-called "learners" are uneducated or unemployed
and incapable of other things. The reality is that they are capable, they
just don't know it, and like you, they have been led to believe that those
things are not for them because they are supposedly "goyishe"
things not Jewish things. What a scandal. Why do you buy into such garbage
and propagate it here? Why do you buy into the myth that Jews are defenseless
and helpless and weak and cannot fight, and why do you propagate it here? #
This subject may be considered an internal Jewish matter but it does touch on
Brit-Am understanding of the Divine Plan:
The Jews should indeed maintain their own State, defend their people and
national honor, and do all they can in that regard. They have shown an admirable
propensity for this. They are descendants of the soldiers of King David and the
Maccabee warriors. When they were in exile they had no choice
but to adapt their very psychological attitudes to what was expected of them by
their Gentile "hosts".
This is something that had negative effects and an ongoing Redemptive Process is
needed and may be taking place today.
On the other hand, a cultural war is being waged by the Forces of Darkness against the Torah and true believers.
In principle a true Jew should be able to work for his living, learn and keep the Torah, and also when necessary serve as a warrior in the Armies of Israel.
In practice however it is often not possible for one person to fulfill all three of these duties.
Enabling those who choose to learn Torah full time to do so has, in our opinion, Divine Approbation. This was once the main task of the Tribe of Levi but others who were not from Levi also were so chosen.
They who learn full-time are too waging war in their own way on behalf of Israel and the truth. We need to support them as we can for our own sake. This is the reality.
When all the Jews learn Torah and keep the commandments as they should then it may be possible to re-think the situation but even then we doubt if an ideal alternative exists.
We spoke above of the concept of Esau fulfilling one task and Judah-Israel another.
Brit-Am understanding puts three parties into the equation instead of two:
In place of just Judah and Esau with Judah being spiritual and Esau physically
aggressive we include Joseph.
Joseph was sold to Esau (Amos 1:6, 9), became like him, and in the end overcame
him, at least in part.
This process is not yet complete.
Commentary on the book of OBADIAH (1:18,21)
# The Talmud (Megilla
6) infers that Edom went to Germany and Roman Italy. The Talmud (Baba
123;b) also says that only the descendants of Joseph are capable of conclusively
defeating Edom and that the Prophecy of Obadiah refers to such an event. #
The union of Joseph and Judah will enable the spiritual-psychological Redemption
of both parties.
The union will involve Joseph adopting and adapting aspects of Judah and Judah of Joseph.
This to some degree has already began and Brit-Am is working to facilitate and quicken the
process through a drawing together of hearts and minds.
The Purpose of Exile and Loss of
These concepts are not a "discovery" of Brit-Am but derived from the sources as we show in our writings.
Continuation of the Thread and Brit-Am
as an Issue
After the above , the thread on the blog continued (and is still going on):
Wonga (in reaction to what others had said but for lack of space we are not
Re: Poor, sad, dancing Israeli soldiers
#125 on: July 10, 2010, 08:20:18 PM
'110 proofs' certainly provide food for thought
The Ten Lost Tribes went somewhere, and it is predicted that they will return.
Although it is hard to swallow that
average uncircumcised, beer-swilling, uncouth, foul-mouthed,
Scottish, English, Aussie, Kiwi and Yank, could be of
origin, if the TLTs
exist anywhere at all on the physical plane, I'd prefer them to be of the white
rather than pigmented nations!
The above remark by Wonga is favorable to us and must be considered in the light of previous remarks of others
(that we are not posting here) using even more unflatering epithets.
Nevertheless, it is worth remarking that as many as 50% (there were more in the past) of "Anglos" (in the USA and Australia at least) are circumcised out of choice, beer-swilling is not that bad
and the "Drunkards of Ephraim" were already mentioned in the Bible (Isaiah 28:2).
In addition they are not on the whole anti-Semitic but mostly pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. Even those (usually in the minority) who are not in favor of the Jews and Israel
often still have a fair-minded streak, do not really hate Jews, and could change their attitudes for the better.
THE THREAD CONTINUES:
MassuhDGoodName (Reply #127) makes a longish tirade, gets some of his history
wrong, and seems to assume that we identify ALL Europeans as belonging to the
Lost Tribes of Israel. We do not. On the contrary.
At all events the blog presents an educational and valuable exchange.