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"Brit-Am Now"-1031
Contents:
1. Commentary to Isaiah Being Updated
2. Thomas: Remark on "
Choseness" and the US is Babylon?
3. Answers to Questions on Isaiah

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1. Commentary to Isaiah Being Updated
The Brit-Am Commentary to Isaiah is being upgraded and edited some what
See also:
http://www.britam.org/ProphSumContents.html
http://www.britam.org/IsaiahSummary51to55.html
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2. Thomas: Remark on "Choseness" and the US is Babylon?
"Brit-Am Now"-1029
#2. Question on Ephraimite Black Hebrews, a 400 year Servitude, and the Future

Dear Yair;

Rachael brought up a good issue. We Messianics had a denominational split over what has been called the Two House matter. The problem with thinking that you're particular group is the "True Israel", is thinking that you're special to HaShem's plan. Worse, you conclude that everyone else is of no significance. The first one is stupid, the second one is heresy.

As for Ireland being Tarshish; The Merchants of Tarshish, who waxed fat on the trade with her, shall cry, alas Babylon, for in one hour such great wealth has come to naught. The merchants are by in large in England.

Last night one of our Bible teachers made the case that Egypt is Europe, Assyria is Russia, and Babylon is America.
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Brit-Am Reply: Your points are partly valid.
I guess basically everyone chooses themself, i.e.
they who will be chosen will have made the choice to be that way.
Even so, the Bible is centered around Israel and all others are judged by the degree they
attach themselves to Israel or relate to Judah.
We have spoken more on this subject in our recent
BAMBI Broadcast
Psalm 9
http://www.britam.org/Broadcasts.html
This "choseness" of Israel entails obligations:
[Amos 3:2] YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH: THEREFORE I WILL PUNISH YOU FOR ALL YOUR INIQUITIES.
As for America being Babylon there may be aspects of Babylon in US culture but we would advise
our subscribers not to go that way.


The US is Joseph and Israel and should be related to as such.
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3. Answers to Questions on Isaiah
Jonathan Tillotson <jon_tillotson@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 

Dear yair,

An interesting summary of Isaiah. Would you like to comment on how the Book seems to be repeating itself? Or would you say it does not do this? For example, what you write regarding chapters 25-30 sounds much rather like what is written concerning later verses, regarding the unification of the tribes and the speading of Israel's benign influence in the world, etc. Not that I am criticising the author of Isaiah for such a repetion, if indeed you believe that repetition is what he is doing? Indeed, I rather like repetitiousness when it is well done.

Would you say repetition is a characteristic of Hebrew prose in general? After all the linear uncyclical trajectory of modern rational thought, most characterised by the scientific method and the rational idiom, is surely only one way of thinking. Aristotle doesnt have the final word on logic, surely?

As you presumably know modern scholars believe Isaiah was written by more than one person, and at different times. It is supposed, I imagine, that this is an explanation for the repetitiousness..?

I am thinking that some critics of your analysis might ask themselves : how can you know what periods of time particular prophecies relate to..some of them evidently concern events that happened over 2000 years ago, others concern events still future to us today. And yet does the text itself refer to the size of these time gap periods? Im just wanting to think objectively. I'm not being negative or hostile etc.

Obviously these thoughts may not be relevant for the site...

Finally, are you yourself convinced Isaiah was only written at one time and by one person. If so, was it written down at that time in the form that we have it today by that particular person? If not, does this really matter anyway. Why, if it is so, would it necessarily mean that Scripture is therefore suspect, etc...as the driving forces behind biblical criticism perhaps are wanting to imply.

Best wishes and have a nice run up to Hannukah

Jonathan


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Answers:
Your Questions covered the following fields:
(a) Does Isaiah repeat itself?
(b) Repetition in Scripture in general.
(c) Was Isaiah written by more than one person?
(d) The applicability or lack of it of Prophecy in our times.
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(a) Does Isaiah repeat itself?
Your remark concerning the repetition is based more on the summary we made than the actual text.
The summary we made was of a few lines emphasizing those points we consider most pertinent from our point of view. The limitation and emphasis on certain issues may be due to our own predilections.
I would not say that Isaiah repeats himself. He may return to the same themes but with different perspectives and the addition of new points.
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(b) Repetition in Scripture in general.
Repetition occurs. The Malbim constantly emphasized that everywhere the same message seems to be repeated it
comes to add a new facet to the subject or a different applicability.
Other Commentators tended to take it for granted and to see in the repetitions an emphasis on the importance of the subject spoken of.
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(c) Was Isaiah written by more than one person?
Recent scholarship in Israel is divided on this issue.
Some say that it is all one person. This is our view.
My father also told me that though there are differences in different parts of the work an underlying unity still exists.
Another view says there were "schools" of prophets.
Certain "prophecies" emanated from these schools and were repeated by the people.
It was not so much a literary society but more a verbal one.
People memorized things and repeated them.
Isaiah and the other Prophets may have incorporated in their works whole streams of these "popular" prophecies. This does not reflect on the question of Divine inspiration. The popular prophecies may also have been inspired and the Prophet would have been inspired to include them in his work.
This is discussed in the Commentary "Daat Mikra" of Mosad haRav Kook.
Likewise, Isaiah wrote his book over a period of time.
As is the way with Prophecy he related to different events in his lifetime and from what would happen shortly afterwards as an outcome
of them. He related to these events as prototypical of what would happen in the Latter Days.
All Scripture is like this.
There would therefore have been  a "collection" of prophecies of Isaiah.
These were later collected and edited apparently by King Hezekiah and again by Ezra and affirmed by Members of the Great Assembly that preceded the Sanhedrin.
This is another reason why the "Oral Law" of the Sages should be respected.
They are the ones who decided what books would be in the Bible and how these Books were composed.
 They were inspired by the Almighty in this work.

Rabbi Aryek Kaplan, "A Handbook of Jewish Thought" (Jerusalem 1979) says on the matter of Isaiah:
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<<The book of Isaiah was written by the school of King Hezekiah [Baba Batra 15a]. it was customary for the prophets to write down their prophecies shortly before their death [ibid]. just as Moses had done [Deut 31:9]. However, their public prophecies were declared before the Sanhedrin and recorded by them [ibid, San. 1:2; San 17b]. Since Isaiah was murdered by King Menasseh, [Yebamot 49b] he did not have a chance to set his prophecies in writing.[Baba Batra 15a] This was later done by the Sanhedrin which had been established by King Hezekiah, and which functioned for many years after his death.[ibid]

Kaplan gives several sources for what he says and we have not included all of them in the square brackets.
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(d) The applicability or lack of it of Prophecy in our times.
We have been asked this question before and answered it.
A full study of the Conceptual Principles has not however been done by us and at some stage perhaps should be.
At all events, all Prophecy that was written down has a message for our time.
All Prophecies concerning the future are applicable to the Last Days.
In many cases the Prophet describes an event in his own time or predict something that will happen shortly afterwards and then veers  away to describe something in the distant future.
Also history often repeats itself in ever expanding circles.