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"Brit-Am Now"-1058
Contents:
1.
Kobler Continued
2.
Hosiah 4 Upgraded
3. Question on Israelite (Viking-Scottish) Ancestry and DNA
4. Question on Rabbi Avichail
etc.
5. How can I know for sure?

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1. Kobler Continued
Franz Kobler
"The Vision Was There.
A History of the British Movement for the Restoration of the Jews to Palestine"
PART FOUR
DIFFERENTIATION AND SYNTHESIS

V. THE EASTERN QUESTION, 1877-78, AND DISRAELI'S RESTORATIONIST EXPERIMENTS
http://www.britam.org/vision/koblerpart4.html#Eastern
Extracts:
Yet an entry prior to the Berlin Congress found in the diary of Leon von Bilinski, later Austrian Minister of Finance, makes it appear that Disraeli had sent to the British Ambassador in Vienna, Sir Andrew Buchan, the English draft of his essay The Jewish Question in the Oriental Question for translation and anonymous publication. Translated by Baron Johann Chlumecky, a well-known Austrian political writer, the essay was published in Vienna in 1877 as a pamphlet under the title Die judische Frage in der orientalischen Frage, von... under the direction and participation of Perez Smolenskin, the famous Hebrew author and champion of Jewish renascence. Chlumecky presented Bilinski with a copy of the pamphlet and informed him that Disraeli originally intended to raise the question of Palestine on the agenda of the Berlin Congress but had abandoned these efforts due to the opposition of Bismarck and the Austrian Foreign Minister, Count Andrassy, and instructed the Embassy to stop the distribution of the pamphlet and to destroy all available copies.

VI. LAURENCE OLIPHANT MEETS THE LOVERS OF ZION
http://www.britam.org/vision/koblerpart4.html#Laurence
Extracts:
Laurence Oliphant lost no time in approaching religious leaders and, above all, responsible statesmen. The atmosphere appeared to have been never more favourable in the history of the Restoration Movement. Oliphant was even allowed to explain his scheme to the Prince of Wales -the future Edward VII -and received much encouragement from him. ...Thus Oliphant obtained from the two Western Great Powers a semi-official mandate to negotiate with Turkey. With high hopes he started out in the spring of 1879 for Beirut. From that point of vantage, with a single companion and a few attendants he set out on his adventurous reconnaissance of Palestine. He chose Gilead in what is now Jordan, "the most fertile part of Palestine", and felt that he had found the future Land of Promise. His book, The Land of Gilead, published in 1880, contains a detailed description of the country and the people. His project envisaged the foundation of an Ottoman Chartered Company with the object of colonising a million and a half acres.

VII. THE MOVEMENT BEFORE THE ADVENT OF ZIONISM
http://www.britam.org/vision/koblerpart4.html#Before
 A modest handbill was distributed in the streets of London in the same year. Its author was the Rev. William H. Hechler, born (1845) in South Africa of German Parents, Rector of the Holy Trinity Church in Kilburn (London). Calling himself  "Lover of God's ancient people" he engaged, like Oliphant, in an intensive activity to help the victims of the Russian pogroms by collecting money for their settlement in Palestine. He went to Russia and the Holy Land and, in 1882, carried a personal letter from Queen Victoria to the Sultan Abdul Hamid....
....the great Canadian-born naturalist John William Dawson in his Modern Science in Bible Lands, published in 1888. Among the many Palestine travellers from England, the famous geologist was one of the best qualified to judge the country and its future. His verdict on the dire neglect of the once flourishing land was devastating:
        <<.. No nation has been able to establish itself, as a nation in Palestine up to this day, no national union and no national spirit have prevailed there. The motley, impoverished tribes ... have held it as mere tenants at will, temporary landowners, evidently waiting for those entitled to the permanent possession of the soil.

      Dawson left no doubt as to the identity of those whom he considered the rightful owners.

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2. Hosiah 4 Upgraded
http://britam.org/hosea4.html
Summary:
Sexual Immorality, violence, and disregard for the truth are the downfall of Israel. The religious leaders of Israel have been chosen for their task by Divine Providence and they have responsibility for how Israel behaves. This applies even when the relgious conceptions to which they are attached are based on idolatrous sources. Judah is warned not to go in the pathway of Ephraim. Sin brings its own punishment and in some degree is itself punishment.

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3. Question on Israelite (Viking-Scottish) Ancestry and DNA

Dear Dr. Yair Davidiy:

I read a statement attributed to you on the internet to the effect that some of those with Viking and/or Scottish ancestry may in fact have Jewish antecedents.

While this is a fascinating theory, how can one tell, conclusively, whether or not the theory has merit?

In addition to the general historical and genealogical question, are you aware of any DNA or other rather conclusive scientific confirmation(s) that could, for example, prove such ancestry in a specific, particular instance?

In my case, for instance, my father's recent ancestors, with the family name ..., are from Sweden. My mother's ancestors, with the family name ..., are from Scotland....

My mother told me that her grandmother's maiden name was Rhinehart or von Rhinehart, and that she was Jewish, a claim that I haven't confirmed.

Are you aware of any connection to possible Jewish roots related to these two countries and/or surnames?

Thank you for your interest and response.

Sincerely,

Rev. D

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Answers:
Shalom,
I am neither a doctor nor a rabbi and not even a professor!
For details of what we say please go to our website
http://www.britam.org/
The expression "Jewish antecedents" for Vikings and Scotsmen is somewhat misleading.
The Ancient Kingdom of Israel split into two separate units that were named "Judah" and "Israel" (1-Kings ch.12). From "Judah" emerged the ancestors of the Jews, of those who are "Jewish".
From "Israel" came the Lost Ten Tribes (2-Kings 17:6) who became the ancestors of (or at least a significant portion of) the Vikings, Scotsmen, and others.
You asked,
"how can one tell, conclusively, whether or not the theory has merit?"
We do not consider our belief a "theory" but rather proven fact.
This belief is based on  the Hebrew Bible supplemented by Rabbinical and Secular sources.
See our essays on Biblical Evidence
http://www.britam.org/Proof/ProofsIntro.html
A person seeking to know the truth may read what we say and draw their own conclusions.
Concerning DNA tests "in a specific, particular instance?" there are none available.
In some instances however YDNA (paternal-related) tests or mtDNA (maternal) may provide results that can be compared with those of others. It may be that certain Jewish families have the same "markers" as oneself. This would not be accepted as necessarily proving anything but it could be an indication. [My own YDNA markers link me up with a bunch of Irishmen on the side of my father something that may have surprised him more than it did me!].
If DNA interests you it could help perusing  articles on the subject on our website:
http://www.britam.org/DNA/DNAContents.html
If your mother said she was of Jewish ancestry she probably was. This may not mean very much in a practical sense but if it intrigues you go ahead and check it out. We cannot help you with the specific genealogy but there quite a few services on the web that can. Some of these take money and some do not.
It all depends how much time and energy you have and how important the question is to you.
God bless you
Yair Davidiy 
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4. Question on Rabbi Avichail etc.
 

Dear Yair,
 
I don't remember when but I believe that it was several months back that you visited with a Rabbi(?) who had written a book on who the tribes of Israel are.  I believe that his understanding leaned toward the Burmese direction.  You said that the two of you exchanged books.  I was just wondering if you had read his book yet, and whether or not you have had further contact with him on this subject.  If you have, what does he think of Brit-Am's position?  Is it possible that he will become friendly toward Brit-Am's position?
 
I was just wondering what came of the meeting. 
 
Thanks
 
Paula  

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Answer:
We visited with Rabbi Avichail.
Rabbi Avichail founded the organization "Ami-Shav" which is now known as
Shavei Israel and headed by Michael Freund.
This organization receives a lot of media coverage and appears to be very well-funded.
 Rabbi Avichail does not read English fluently but has received and read our Hebrew work
"Achim Acharim".
He gave us a copy of his own book which is an expanded version of his previous work that we read years ago.
These people basically are looking for groups that are prepared to convert and become Jewish.
Rabbi Avichail himself has said that he is not interested so much in books but rather in people
whom he can look at and perceive in him a desire to keep the commandments according to the Jewish Faith.
This is fair enough but it is a different approach to that of Brit-Am.
Brit-Am searches for PHYSICAL descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes.
This is our emphasis and certain "Ephraimites" also need to be aware of it.
We are searching for the actual descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Our primary proofs are BIBLICAL supplemented by other evidence.
The people we reach out to are they whom we consider to be descendants of Israel.
See our mini-article:
"Why Should Brit-Am interest Judah?"
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesJudah.html#interest
A search for physical descendants requires physical evidence i.e. written proof in the Bible alongside archaeological and related findings etc.
The path Brit-Am has taken is harder and less certain but it is required.
Those who identify with Brit-Am and/or believe they are part of "Ephraim" should support Brit-Am because this is the support we have.
Brit-Am needs your support.

Incidentally we just received a letter from someone who appears to be reasonably learned claiming that the Dravidians of India and especially the Tamils of the south are also Hebrews. We requested more details.
Brit-Am has criteria of its own for determining who is and who is not of Israelite origin and so far these criteria have proven themselves.
See:
Ephraimite Criteria  
http://www.britam.org/criteria.html
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5. How can I know for sure?
The question "How can I know for sure? is frequently asked us.
The following is quite typical and in its own way is not unlike the question above:
no.3  Question on Israelite (Viking-Scottish) Ancestry and DNA
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Mr. Davidiy,
I have read much of your website and think alot of your work. I am wondering, how can one know for sure that they are of hebrew origins? I have my family history on some lines back to 500B.C.. I am descended from groups such as the Scythians, Cimmerians, Franks, Merovingians, Charlemange, Norman, Welsh, and English nobility, and al the documented kings of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. According to your research as well as others that would mean I am connected to several tribes. But I want to know for sure. Has DNA testing been done one some of these European Kings or others that identify them as Hebrew? I am thinking of having DNA testing done to confirm or debunk this. They should be able to tell by hapologroups or whatever if there is Hebrew ancestry. but will they be able to tell from what tribes or is that impossible? I appreciate your input. Thanks.
 J
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Answer:
People keep asking us about DNA tests but in effect none exist for this matter.
The answer for the time being remains:
You cannot know for sure.
This is how Divine Providence wanted it.
If you did not know for sure some of you would be making all kinds of claims on Judah which are not appropriate.
All you can do is strengthen your faith in and knowledge of the Bible.
Learn Biblical Proofs and related evidence.
On the one hand Divine Providence for the moment does not seem to enable a recognition of Israelite ancestry with absolute certainty.
On the other hand a closer approximation has become possible through Brit-Am related studies.
That is what we can do at the moment, increase bit by bit Brit-Am knowledge.
In our opinion they who are genuinely interested in  this matter will show it by support of Brit-Am.

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