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Brit-Am Now no. 1358 Ten Tribes
June 29 2009, 22 Sivan 5769
Contents:
1. David Jackson:
"the US and all
Israelite nations
will come to their senses"
2. Question on the Khazars,
Simeon, and Manasseh
3. A Case of Missing Verses in Different versions of the Bible
4. Geoffrey Cooper: TRIBES OF ISRAEL
5. Are the United States, Britain and Judah all Turning Against Each Other?
6. Kim Weatherston:
Brit-Am Message "more cogent and spiritually insightful"
7. The Implications of the Brit-Am Ten Tribes Message
1. David Jackson: "the US and all
Israelite nations
will come to their senses"
From: David Jackson <djackson22@verizon.net>
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1357 Ten Tribes
#4. Stephen Spykerman: More on Civil War and Manasseh versus Ephraim
http://britam.org/now/1357Now.html#Stephen
Hello Yair, Stephen,
I don't think there is a need to apologize when sincerely debating
scripture. I'm often in error too. That's how we learn. The only reason I
brought up the history of past battles between Manasseh and Ephraim is that
it goes to my point that I can't conclude that Isaiah 9 was pointing to
recent history.
Certainly we all agree than one of the warnings is that M and E should stand
together with Judah and that we'll all suffer if we don't. My hope and
prayer is that somehow the US and all Israelite nations will come to their
senses and support Israel.
Sincerely,
Dave
2. Question on the
Khazars,
Simeon, and Manasseh
Yair,
In "The Khazars. Tribe 13" chapter Three you quote Jewish sources
based on 1-Chronicles 4:38-42 that claim that the Bible describes elements from
the Tribe of Simeon
under the leadership of Princes from Manasseh going to Khazaria and becoming
the Khazars.
I find this difficult to accept.
Apart from that however, your book is interesting and very detailed.
It makes a good case for the Khazars having been of Israelite origin.
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Brit-Am Reply:
This is what the sources say:
[1-Chronicles 4:38] THESE [from the Tribe of Simeon] MENTIONED BY THEIR NAMES
WERE PRINCES IN THEIR FAMILIES: AND THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS INCREASED
GREATLY.
[1-Chronicles 4:39] AND THEY WENT TO THE ENTRANCE OF GEDOR, EVEN UNTO THE EAST
SIDE OF THE VALLEY, TO SEEK PASTURE FOR THEIR FLOCKS.
[1-Chronicles 4:40] AND THEY FOUND FAT PASTURE AND GOOD, AND THE LAND WAS WIDE,
AND QUIET, AND PEACEABLE; FOR THEY OF HAM HAD DWELT THERE OF OLD.
[1-Chronicles 4:41- AND THESE WRITTEN BY NAME CAME IN THE DAYS OF HEZEKIAH KING
OF JUDAH, AND SMOTE THEIR TENTS, AND THE HABITATIONS THAT WERE FOUND THERE, AND
DESTROYED THEM UTTERLY UNTO THIS DAY, AND DWELT IN THEIR ROOMS: BECAUSE THERE
WAS PASTURE THERE FOR THEIR FLOCKS.
[1-Chronicles 4:42] AND SOME OF THEM, EVEN OF THE SONS OF SIMEON, FIVE HUNDRED
MEN, WENT TO MOUNT SEIR, HAVING FOR THEIR CAPTAINS PELATIAH, AND NEARIAH, AND
REPHAIAH, AND UZZIEL, THE SONS OF ISHI.
[1-Chronicles 4:43] AND THEY SMOTE THE REST OF THE AMALEKITES THAT WERE
ESCAPED, AND DWELT THERE UNTO THIS DAY.
Talmud (Baba Batra 123,b) Ishi was of the Children of Manasseh as it says,
AND THESE WERE THE HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS [of Manassseh] , EVEN
EPHER, AND ISHI [1-Chronicles 5:24].
The Book of Chronicles in the verses above, in effect tells us that there were
two major movements of Simeon. One movement was to the Plains of Gedor formerly
possessed by Hamites. The second movement was initiated by 500 men under the
sons of Ishi. The second movement was a continuation of the first. It involved
"THE SONS OF ISHI": According to the Talmud (Baba Batra 123, 300-500 CE) "the
sons of Ishi" were descended from Ishi who is listed later (1-Chronicles
5:23-26)?amongst the Princes of half Manasseh east of the Jordan who were taken
into Exile by the Assyrians. The men of Simeon led by the sons of Ishi went
northward. They had placed themselves under the leadership of the sons of Ishi
who were a Princely Family of the half-tribe of Manasseh. The father of this
family was listed amongst the Princes of Manasseh who in the exile of the
Northern Israelites were taken to "HALAH, AND HABOR, AND HARA, AND TO THE RIVER
GOZAN" [1-Chronicles 5:26]. Rabbinical Tradition linked this movement of
Manasseh-led Simeonites to the foundation of the Khazar nation.
[1-Chronicles 5:23] AND THE CHILDREN OF
THE HALF TRIBE OF MANASSEH DWELT IN THE LAND: THEY INCREASED FROM
BASHAN
UNTO BAALHERMON
AND SENIR,
AND UNTO MOUNT HERMON.
[1-Chronicles 5:24] AND THESE WERE THE HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS, EVEN
EPHER,
AND ISHI,
AND ELIEL,
AND AZRIEL,
AND JEREMIAH, AND HODAVIAH,
AND JAHDIEL,
MIGHTY MEN OF VALOUR,
FAMOUS MEN, AND HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS.
[1-Chronicles 5:25] AND THEY TRANSGRESSED AGAINST THE GOD OF THEIR FATHERS, AND
WENT A WHORING AFTER THE GODS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND, WHOM GOD DESTROYED
BEFORE THEM.
[1-Chronicles 5:26] AND THE GOD OF ISRAEL STIRRED UP THE SPIRIT OF
PUL
KING OF ASSYRIA, AND THE SPIRIT OF
TILGATHPILNESER
KING OF ASSYRIA, AND HE CARRIED THEM AWAY, EVEN THE
REUBENITES,
AND THE GADITES,
AND THE HALF TRIBE OF MANASSEH, AND BROUGHT THEM UNTO
HALAH,
AND HABOR,
AND HARA, AND TO THE RIVER GOZAN,
UNTO THIS DAY.
So far the Khazars are not mentioned but Simeon being lead by Princes from
Manasseh are.
Later (but still very early) sources identify these Simeonites and Princes from
Manasseh as the Khazars.
We tend to think that the interpretation given to these verses is a correct one.
However even if it is not it still shows that a tradition linking the Khazars
with Simeon and Manasseh existed
from the earliest sources we have. The Khazars themselves believed in it!
We have additional evidence showing that Simeon and Manasseh were amongst
the Khazar people.
Whether or not the verses in 1-Chronicles do really refer to the Khazars is a
secondary consideration
as far as "The Khazars. Tribe 13" is concerned. The main point is that such a
tradition existed and this tradition
reinforces other evidence.
See:
"The Khazars. Tribe 13" p.74
##Whether these 500 really did found the
Khazar
nation or not is largely irrelevant. The point is that
Khazar
traditions, early Jewish reports, and the writings of their Gentile neighbors
all recall the belief that the
Khazars were descended from
Israelites Tribes with Manasseh and Simeon usually being mentioned.##
3. A Case of Missing Verses in Different
versions of the Bible
Bob Briggs wrote:
Greetings Yair,
You mentioned in your email on ?Parshat Korach? that your KJV version is
missing verses 14 through 28 for Numbers 17.
http://www.britam.org/numbers/5korach.html
You then mentioned that you have quoted those verses from the
Jewish translation of the Masoretic text; however, they are missing also from
your email?your chapter 17 ends with verse 13, as it does also in the KJV. You
then immediately move to chapter 18.
Are we are to understand, perhaps, that verses 1-15 of Numbers 18 should have
instead been numbered 14-28 and added to chapter 17, and that the remaining
verses of chapter 18 (16-32) should have been numbered 1-17 instead? In other
words, was this simply a variant chapter break by the translators of the KJV,
and in actuality all of the verses are accounted for in these two chapters?
Regards,
Bob Briggs
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Brit-Am Reply:
Yes.
You are correct.
We will be altering the relevant notice from our Commentary to Korach
http://www.britam.org/numbers/5korach.html
It should be pointed out that the chapter numbering used in our Jewish Masoretic
text is itself of Christian
origin. The Hebrew original has its own divisions that are quite different.
In the New Koren editions the original divisions are given alongside the
conventional Christian ones.
So too in The Living Torah by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan the traditional Hebrew
divisions are given alongside the
Christian ones.
The particular Christian division (why this version and not another, I do not
know) used by the Jews is found only in the Printed book texts.
Anyway the particular Christian division used by Jews differs in our portion
from the King James.
In my Jewish version chapter 16 ends at 16:35.
We then have chapter 17 which corresponds with the KJ 16:36-50 AND THEN
CONTINUES.
The KJ chapter 17 corresponds with 17:16-28 in my version.
From chapter 18 they return to synchronization.
4. Geoffrey Cooper: TRIBES OF ISRAEL
The people of the UK are in fact the Tribe of Jacob, thats why our flag 'THE
UNION JACK' was originally the union of JACOB.
The Americans are predominantly 'THE TRIBE OF MANNASA'.
Cheers,
Geoff (ENGLAND - EPHRAIM)
5. Are the United States, Britain and
Judah all Turning Against Each Other?
From: Sightedmoon <admin@sightedmoon.com>
re: Brit-Am Now no. 1357 Ten Tribes
#4. Stephen Spykerman: More on Civil War and Manasseh versus Ephraim
http://britam.org/now/1357Now.html#Stephen
Shalom Yair,
I have been following the lead of Stephen Spykerman about Manasseh and Ephraim.
We had also talked of this over a year ago, so your current dicussion was of
interest.
Then today in the Trumpet.com was the following article which I found
interesting from its point of view.
I share it with you.
Shalom
Joseph F Dumond
www.sightedmoon.com
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stephen
flurry | columnist
The Tie That Binds
Even those who don't follow theTrumpet.com can see from newspaper headlines that
the brotherhood nations of the United States, Britain and Israel are, even now
is in the midst of an astonishing free fall from their former positions of world
dominance. Coinciding with this precipitous decline in world power and influence
is the unraveling relationship that once bound these three brothers so tightly
together. The Prophet Isaiah described this dramatic unraveling: "Manasseh shall
devour Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasseh; Together they shall be against Judah ."
(Isaiah 9:21, New King James Version).
This is clearly happening before our eyes.
Earlier this week, the United States concluded a deal that allowed four
Guantanamo detainees to settle in the British colony of Bermuda, without first
telling British officials about the arrangement. According to the Independent,
Whitehall officials accused the United States of treating Britain "with barely
disguised contempt." It quoted one senior official as saying, "This is not the
kind of behavior one expects from an ally."
Even as the United States and Britain exchange blows with one another, both of
them remain united in their contempt for Israel. President Obama's Cairo speech
perfectly summarized Washington's renunciation of any special relationship it
once had with Israel.
Britain has followed a similar course for some time now. In December, Gordon
Brown wrote a letter to the Palestinian Authority prime minister to express his
"frustration" over the settlement activity. That same month, the British
government issued an advisory warning to British citizens telling them not to
purchase property in East Jerusalem, the West Bank or the Golan
Heights-territories 10 Downing Street envisions as a future Palestinian state.
In Israel, the advisory was viewed "as the latest in a series of
less-than-friendly steps toward Israel" (Jerusalem Post).
Yet, despite the unraveling ties that once bound these three brothers together,
all three nations are inextricably linked together by another end-time prophecy,
which points to our simultaneous downfall (Hosea 5:5). Both prophecies, in fact,
are closely related. For the weakening of those once mighty ties that bound
together the United States, Britain and Judah is only making our peoples more
vulnerable to the threat of invasion by ascending world powers!
6. Kim
Weatherston:
Brit-Am Message "more cogent and spiritually insightful"
From: Weatherston
To: Yair Davidiy-We are thrilled to read all the articles you have posted on the
web! This has been an interest of mine since studying history at Rhodes in early
70s.. .Now in Australia, we are still connected with our love for Israel and
the Jews- ...Currently my husband, Martin & I are base for Shoresh Australia (CMJ)
and run a small home fellowship (Zebulun Home Fellowships Inc) on top of our
professional lives, thus the late hour for reading and research. Your work
confirms the truth known in the "heart" and is more cogent and spiritually
insightful than other stuff I have read over the years. Will get to order your
books in due course.
Many blessings on you and yours, Shalom
Kim Weatherston
Geraldton WA
Australia
7. The Implications of the Brit-Am Ten
Tribes Message
The Lost Ten Tribes are amongst Western Peoples. Western Peoples
including citizens of the USA must fact the implications, examine the evidence,
realize what
they are and who the Brit-Am Ten Tribes Messages says their ancestors were.
This is a new reality that must be confronted.
It evokes the need for greater Biblical Consciousness, adoption of Biblical
Values,
Realization of new responsibilities and liabilities on the national and personal
levels,
a need to support Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel alongside at some
stage a need
for Western colonization of relevant Middle East areas.
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