Brit-Am Now no. 1392
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
1 October 2009, 14 Tishrei 5770
Contents:
1. Dennis McGinlay:
KJ is ...also beautiful and inspirational
2. Interesting Site
European national origin stories
3. New Site: Words that are Same in English as Ancient Hebrew
4. Finding an alternative Bible Translation to the KJV
5. Proverbs chapter One according to the Good News Bible
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1. Dennis McGinlay: KJ is ...also beautiful and inspirational
From: Dennis McGinlay <dennismcginlay@uwclub.net>
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1391
#3. New Year Plans
Bible Translation to be Used.
http://britam.org/now/1391Now.html#New
Dear Yair
I understand your determination in using translations other than The KJ. But, I caution you that though the language in the KJ is sometimes archaic and hard to understand, it is also beautiful and inspirational. And not forgetting that most 'Ephramites' are familiar with this translation! Some may be offended at this departure.. Some translations are so dull, dry as dust, and downright unreadable. The translation by Jehovah's Witnesses is a good example. I am quite sure that your understanding of any 'grey area's' of translation will be appropriate and educational.
Shalom
Dennis McGinlay.
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Brit-Am Reply:
Finding an alternative version to the KJV is proving not as easy as one would think.
See item 4 below.
2. Interesting Site
European national origin stories
http://www.buildinghistory.org/
distantpast/originstories.shtml
Extract:
The Venerable Bede, writing in 731 AD, preserved an origin story for them.
#It is related that the Pictish race from Scythia sailed out into the ocean in a few warships and were carried by the wind beyond the furthest bounds of Britain, reaching Ireland and landing on its northern shores. There they found the Irish race and asked permission to settle among them, but their request was refused. ...The Irish answered that the island would not hold them both; but, said they, we can give you some good advice as to what to do. We know of another island not far from our own, in an easterly direction, which we often see in the distance on clear days. If you will go there, you can make a settlement for yourselves; but if anyone resists you, make use of our help. And so the Picts went to Britain and proceeded to occupy the northern parts of the island, because the Britons had seized the southern regions.17#This story had come down to Bede through a Classical filter. It is permeated with the Roman view of Picts and Britons as separate and different, one outside and the other inside the Roman Empire. However we have a clue that the Picts did not take that view. First in the list of kings in the 10th-century Pictish Chronicle is Cruidne.18Chronicles of the Picts, Chronicles of the Scots, and other Early Memorials of Scottish History, ed. W.F. Skene (1867), p.172. Cruithni is the plural of the medieval Irish word Cruithin, meaning Briton. Once again we find the assumption that a people descend from an eponymous founder.
Bede, The Ecclesiastical History of the English People, The Greater Chronicle, Bede's Letter to Egbert, ed. J. McClure and R. Collins (1994), p. 10.
An origin for the Picts in Scythia - a place so far distant - seemed so nonsensical that some commentators have assumed that Bede was confusing Scythia with Scandia.19Bede, The Ecclesiastical History of the English People, The Greater Chronicle, Bede's Letter to Egbert, ed. J. McClure and R. Collins (1994), p. 362; D. Miles, The Tribes of Britain (2005), p. 9. Yet the location of Scythia - north of the Black and Caspian Seas - was carefully described in sources available to Bede, including the Etymologies of Isidore of Seville.20The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, ed. and trans. S.A. Barney, W. J. Lewis, J. A. Beach and O. Bergho (2006), p. 288 (XIV.iii.31).
3. New Site: Words that are Same in English as Ancient Hebrew
From: Jane
SHaLUM Yair
You said,
##No-one is likely however to undertake such a work since the only people who could appreciate it would be those with knowledge of both Biblical Hebrew and English and with some initial curiosity regarding the possibility of an ancient link between English and Hebrew.##I have started to undertake such a work. It's currently in blog form but I hope to make it into a book.
Be blessed
Jane Marchant
Words that are Same in English as Ancient Hebrew
http://yehspace.ning.com/profiles
/blogs/words-that-are-same-in-english
4. Finding an alternative Bible Translation to the KJV
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1391
#3. New Year Plans
Bible Translation to be Used.
http://britam.org/now/1391Now.html#New
Finding an alternative version to the KJV is not so easy.
We had decided on Websters but now realize that the language is still too archaic and does not really solve the problem.
People have difficulty with archaic expressions not so much because they do not understand the meaning but rather because they are not used to that kind of style.
The JPS have only a few books now available in Modern English. The rest of what is available from JPS dates from 1917 and uses archaic expressions based on the KJV.
There are a few modern Jewish Translations available but none of them are online and they are all probably covered by up-to-date copyright anyway.
This brings up another problem.
There are no Jewish Versions available to us as far as we know at present.
Up unto now we used the KJV while pointing out places where there seemed to be serious divergences from our understanding of the Hebrew.
This solution was more or less acceptable to Jewish subscribers and visitors and usually did not require additional explanation.
Any other non-Jewish version however is liable to entail the need for us having to explain ourselves now and again.
If however the version is worth using we will use it.
5. Proverbs chapter One according to the Good News Bible
1 The proverbs of Solomon, son of David and king of Israel.
2 Here are proverbs that will help you to recognize wisdom and good advice, and understand sayings with deep meaning.
3 They can teach you how to live intelligently and how to be honest, just, and fair.
4 They can make an inexperienced person clever and teach young people how to be resourceful.
5 These proverbs can even add to the knowledge of the wise and give guidance to the educated,
6 so that they can understand the hidden meanings of proverbs and the problems that the wise raise.
7 To have knowledge, you must first have reverence for the Lord.
8 Pay attention to what your father and mother tell you, my son.
9 Their teaching will improve your character as a handsome turban or a necklace improves your appearance.
10 When sinners tempt you, my son, don't give in.
11 Suppose they say, "Come on; let's find someone to kill! Let's attack some innocent people for the fun of it!
12 They may be alive and well when we find them, but they'll be dead when we're through with them!
13 We'll find all kinds of riches and fill our houses with loot!
14 Come and join us, and we'll all share what we steal."
15 Don't go with people like that, my son. Stay away from them.
16 They can't wait to do something bad. They're always ready to kill.
17 It does no good to spread a net when the bird you want to catch is watching,
18 but people like that are setting a trap for themselves, a trap in which they will die.
19 Robbery always claims the life of the robber, this is what happens to anyone who lives by violence.
20 Listen! Wisdom is calling out in the streets and market places,
21 calling loudly at the city gates and wherever people come together:
22 Foolish people! How long do you want to be foolish? How long will you enjoy pouring scorn on knowledge? Will you never learn?
23 Listen when I reprimand you; I will give you good advice and share my knowledge with you.
24 I have been calling you, inviting you to come, but you would not listen. You paid no attention to me.
25 You have ignored all my advice and have not been willing to let me correct you.
26 So when you get into trouble, I will laugh at you. I will mock you when terror strikes ?
27 when it comes on you like a storm, bringing fierce winds of trouble, and you are in pain and misery.
28 Then you will call for wisdom, but I will not answer. You may look for me everywhere, but you will not find me.
29 You have never had any use for knowledge and have always refused to obey the Lord.
30 You have never wanted my advice or paid any attention when I corrected you.
31 So then, you will get what you deserve, and your own actions will make you sick.
32 Inexperienced people die because they reject wisdom. Stupid people are destroyed by their own lack of concern.
33 But whoever listens to me will have security. He will be safe, with no reason to be afraid.
The Book of Proverbs: Good News Bible
1994 British & Foreign Bible Society
Translation Used due to its Modern English and Availability
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