Brit-Am Now 872

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"Brit-Am Now"-872
Contents:
1. Question on Mongolian Hordes and Lactose Toleration
2. Carol Hawke: Gluten Intolerance, Italy and Israel
Different Tribal Life Styles and therefore Different Tolerances?
3. Roy Garland: Some ANZAC History
4. David T: Question on the blue thread
5. Questions on Bnei Yoseph
6. New Zealander Doing Her Share
7. DNA. Nicholas Wade: English and Irish may be closer than they think
9. Nancy in Arkansas: Food Tolerance and the Law

1. Question on Mongolian Hordes and Lactose Toleration
Re: "Brit-Am Now"-871
#4. DNA. John McEwan: Lactose Tolerance and Pastoralism

David T. wrote:
Hello Yair,
how would you explain the 'lactose tolerant' Mongolian horde. They lived on horse, cow, sheep milk?

They had some other interesting laws.
1.Adultery punishable by death.
2.If one urinated near commanders tent. death.
3. bankrupt 3 times in ones life. death.
4.If a city surrendered and paid tribute peace. if resisted total destruction.

Few mongols constantly defeated armies larger than themselves. Payment for military service was in Booty.

I got sidetracked.
Question was about 'lactose tolerance'

respectfully,
David T.

Answer:
The original Mongolians seem to have been Nordics or at least have
contained a significant Nordic element.
[Even now they have significant R1a (East European type) DNA]
There were also elements from the Lost Ten Tribes in that area.
At any rate "lactose toleration" is probably something that springs up
in response to environment similar to blondism.
Blond hair for instance is also found amongst some Central Australian
Aborigines and North Africans but it is said to be caused by a different set of genes
than in North Europe.
[I myself find this hard to believe but that is what they claim].
The first question would therefore be whether the lactose toleration
amongst Mongolians is caused by the same genes as lactose toleration in
North Europe.
If it is caused by the same DNA combination the official conventional
response would be that the Mongolians must somehow share a common
ancestry to some degree with the North Europeans.
We would disagree that such is necessarily the case
since our understanding is that the SAME DNA can appear spontaneously
in certain circumstances amongst different peoples.
For a more complete explanation you would have to go back and look over the different
\articles we have written in the past on this subject.

2. Carol Hawke: Gluten Intolerance, Italy and Israel
Actually,

the Italians have the highest percentage of gluten intolerance per capita for any nation. They have nationally required testing for children as I understand it. Most gluten free products imported into America are actually produced in Italy and surprisingly, ISRAEL.

Check out Ener-G food products, Israel.

It is entirely possible to have gluten intolerance as I do, and still be able to eat OATS. As long as the grains are not cross contaminated either in the fields or processing. OATS technically contain a different form of gluten that MOST celiacs can safely digest.

Wheat, barley and rye are the dangerous grains to celiacs. I personally cannot tolerate amarnanth either and this is listed as celiac safe.

If we look at where these grains were historically grown and specifically NOT GROWN we should be able to find out which populations developed allergies to them...meaning they lack the proper enzymes to digest those particular gluten components. Just like dark skinned people developed more pigment to adjust to living in very hot sunny climates, paler skinned peoples tended to live in cold, indoor climates lacking winter sun.

I am throwing some new thoughts your way. I missed the previous weeks discussion of gluten intolerance and lactose intolerance. Could I get a resend or link?

Thanks

Carol Hawke

Brit-Am Comment:
Regarding Lactose Tolerance and the Lost Ten Tribes etc.
It may be that the occurrence of these phenomena can be traced
to a time event after after ca. 750 BCE when the Lost Ten Tribes were exiled.
i.e. less than ca. 2700 years ago.
John McEwan in the note we quoted seems to suggest a time scale of under 150
generations and it could be even less.

Different Tribal Life Styles and therefore Different Tolerances?
It may be also that over time the different tribes lead different life styles
and eating habits due to their different environments and therefore developed different
sensitivities?

Ashkenazi Jews have low lactose tolerance
lactose tolerance only applies for cows milk and not for that of sheep and goats?

See the notes on this subject in

Jerusalem News-594
3. DNA Points
(e) Lactose Tolerance Conundrums
http://britam.org/jerusalem/JerusalemNewsPage.html#Lac

3. Roy Garland: Some ANZAC History
From: Roy Garland <wrgarland@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: "Brit-Am Now"-871

Dear Yair

I was interested in the NZ Soldier who Flew First Jewish Flag in Jerusalem.

Canon David John Garland of Australia is said to have conducted the first
Holy Communion (Anglican) in Jerusalem in 1917. He was an Australian Padre
who played a major part in constructing and promoting Anzac Day. He did
great work for returning soldiers and made a significant contribution in all
kinds of ways. His family left Ireland County Monaghan towards the end of
the 19th century.

Roy Garland

4. David T: Question on the blue thread
As a " Ephramite" I have been praying that I would see the law with fresh eyes.

An example is the Titzi---------After the vipers killed many Isrealites in the desert and Moses lifted up the serpant on the Tree that ended the plague. God commanded all of 'Isreal' (all 12/13 tribes) to wear 'tassells'.

It clearly says that a blue thread is suppose to be in the midst of the Tassels. To remind us, or point to the Messiah?

I went to purchase a garmet with some tassels but they did not have a blue thread. It was simply a white under garment with four tassel with no blue thread. This is what many people wear.

To me this is not according to Torah---------ALL 12/13 tribes were to wear titzi with a blue thread.

So I see a time when all the tribes will wear these tassels to id who is an Isrealite from the nations of the earth. You can clearly see the tassell on the Ancient egyptian pictures of Isrealits on your website. " the man with blue, eyes a redish beard, colored apron"

I am going to have to make my own titzi with a blue thread.raying for wisdom. was thinking about using badger or wolverine skin.

CURIOUS WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THIS?

Hello Yair,
We are heading into some very difficult years and faithful trustworthy friends and counsellors will be worth their weight in Gold.

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend, deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." Proverbs somewhere.

Isiah said " to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this there is no light in them"

I was reading the psalms a while ago and was shocked by the prayer of King David. he prays that the names of his enemys will be 'blotted out of the book of life".

The man after Gods own heart-----------praying that his enemies names will be blotted out of the book of life?

This would never be propagated by mainstream christianity or even the so-called conservatives in America.

Everything is peace and love and forgiveness and mercy.

I beleive in the Love of God but it is clear that there is also justice, judgement and consequences for sin and being disobedient.

I think a message of peace,peace, peace all the time is not Godly. True peaced only comes when man has submitted himself to Gods laws.

Holyness is walking within the laws of God.

I think this is the reason Judah has been protected for so many years despite the persecution. Judah has kept the laws of God. When Ephrahim sees that the law must be kept and the protection and blessing that comes from obeying the law, an incredible army spiritually and physically will be built.

As a " Ephramite" I have been praying that I would see the law with fresh eyes.

It clearly says that a blue thread is suppose to be in the midst of the Tassels. To remind us, or point to the Messiah?

I went to purchase a garmet with some tassels but they did not have a blue thread. It was simply a white under garment with four tassel with no blue thread. This is what many people wear.

To me this is not according to Torah---------ALL 12/13 tribes were to wear titzi with a blue thread.

I am going to have to make my own titzi with a blue thread.raying for wisdom. was thinking about using badger or wolverine skin.

CURIOUS WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THIS?

[Numbers 15:38] SPEAK UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, AND BID THEM THAT THEY MAKE THEM FRINGES IN THE BORDERS OF THEIR GARMENTS THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS, AND THAT THEY PUT UPON THE FRINGE OF THE BORDERS A RIBBAND OF BLUE:

[Numbers 15:39] AND IT SHALL BE UNTO YOU FOR A FRINGE, THAT YE MAY LOOK UPON IT, AND REMEMBER ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD, AND DO THEM; AND THAT YE SEEK NOT AFTER YOUR OWN HEART AND YOUR OWN EYES, AFTER WHICH YE USE TO GO A WHORING:

[Numbers 15:40] THAT YE MAY REMEMBER, AND DO ALL MY COMMANDMENTS, AND BE HOLY UNTO YOUR GOD.

The blue thread according to tradition has to be produced by a certain dye.
There is controversy as to how this dye is made.
The most generally accepted explanation is that it is produced from a sea mollusc
such as is found in archaeological excavations of Phoenician sites.
Lately a group of entrepreneurs in Israel has revived the production of this dye and sell
the blue thread.
http://www.tekhelet.com/
see also another group that make the dye from a different source:
http://israelvisit.co.il/beged-ivri/techelet.htm
For pictures of different sea creatures from which a blue dye
may be extracted and which have their own adherents claiming
that their choice was the original on e see:
http://israelvisit.co.il/beged-ivri/techelet/dying.htm

I myself incline to the first option: I have not yet purchased it but intend to eventually do so.

At all events this is not to my mind a great matter one way or the other.
I also once knew of a group in Israel who used ordinary paint to dye the thread.

In my opinion they were mistaken.

At all events very often the Oral Tradition is supported by linguistic considerations.
Someone who is not Jewish cannot be expected to relate to the Oral Tradition
on blind faith.
If however an analysis of historical probability along with linguistic
and related studies shows that the Oral Tradition in each case has something going for
it should be regarded with favor.
Non-Jews whether Christians or others who start to adopt Biblical Practices
should try and coordinate their actions with Rabbinical Rulings.

5. Questions on Bnei Yoseph
a. Q. What is the difference between Ephraimites and Bnei Yoseph?
Answer: Concerning Ephraimites in general see what we have written:
Brit-Am Answers to Questions: Ephraimites
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesEphraimite.html

The Two House Doctrine and Ephraimites
http://britam.org/TwoHouse.html

Genealogy Matters!
http://britam.org/Return.html#Gen
Coming to the Land and
The Need to Cleave to Joseph or Judah

In answer to your question in practice there is no real difference between
Ephraimites and Bnei Yoseph (Children of Joseph) except that Ephraimites as a term may
have come to be associated with certain Christian groups
whereas Bnei Yoseph can be Christian or non-Christian or even
Orthodox Jewish by religion.
We would wish Bnei Yoseph to receive a status parallel to that
of Bnei Noach while leaving the question of religion to Messianic Times.
Bnei Yoseph who wish to become Jewish could perhaps call themselves
"Bnei Yoseph in Judah" or "Bnei Yoseph and Judah".

b. What is the difference between Bnei Yoseph and Brit-Am?
Again there is no real difference.
It may be however that Brit-Am is too closely associated with Yair Davidiy
and/or Rabbi Avraham Feld (even though Rabbi Feld for the moment has resigned
from Brit-Am).
Brit-Am also concentrates for the moment on obtaining and providing knowledge.
It could be that amongst Bnei Yoseph are they who while acknowledging a debt to
Brit-Am would prefer to assert their own independent awareness.

Bnei Yoseph are Gentiles and Jews who believe they are of Lost Tribe
origin. They have Biblical and Secular evidence confirming this belief.
Bnei Yoseph believe in eventual reunification with Judah (as the two sticks in Ezekiel 37)
and therefore strive to help Judah.

6. New Zealander Doing Her Share
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-871

Hello Yair
I chuckled with your comment about it being better for the young men of Joseph to get married and raise Bible conscious, Israel supportive families. I have 7 sons - only 1 daughter-in-law so far - and they are all being taught Torah as best I can. They are all pro-Israel so hopefully in the fullness of time this will result in a significant number to boost 'Joseph' from this little corner of New Zealand.
Blessings - Tessa

7. DNA. Nicholas Wade: English and Irish may be closer than they think

From: Joyce Benatti
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-871

This is an interesting article in today's International Herald Tribune. Sorry to paste it, but sometimes the articles are taken off quickly:

8. English and Irish may be closer than they think

By Nicholas Wade
Published: March 5, 2007

[Brit-Am Pertinent Extracts]

NEW YORK: Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands. Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different peoples: the Irish from the Celts and the English from the Anglo-Saxons who invaded from Northern Europe and drove the Celts to the western and northern fringes.

But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans.

The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist's point of view, seems likely to please no one. The genetic evidence is still under development, and because only very rough dates can be derived from it, it is hard to weave evidence from DNA, archaeology, history and linguistics into a coherent picture of British and Irish origins.

That has not stopped the attempt. Stephen Oppenheimer, a medical geneticist at the University of Oxford, says the historians' account is wrong in almost every detail. In Oppenheimer's reconstruction of events, the principal ancestors of today's British and Irish populations arrived from Spain about 16,000 years ago, speaking a language related to Basque.

Agriculture may have been introduced by people speaking Celtic, in Oppenheimer's view.

Although the Celtic immigrants may have been few in number, they spread their farming techniques and their language throughout Ireland and the western coast of Britain. Later immigrants from Northern Europe had more influence on the eastern and southern coasts. They, too, spread their language, a branch of German, but these invaders' numbers were also small compared with the local population.

In all, about three-quarters of the ancestors of today's British and Irish populations arrived 15,000 to 7,500 years ago, when rising sea levels split Britain and Ireland from Continental Europe and from each other, Oppenheimer calculates in a new book, "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story."

Ireland received the fewest of the subsequent invaders; their DNA makes up about 12 percent of the Irish gene pool, Oppenheimer estimates. DNA from invaders accounts for 20 percent of the gene pool in Wales, 30 percent in Scotland, and about a third in eastern and southern England.

But no single group of invaders is responsible for more than 5 percent of the current gene pool, Oppenheimer says on the basis of genetic data. He cites figures from the archaeologist Heinrich Haerke that the Anglo-Saxon invasions that began in the fourth century A.D. added about 250,000 people to a British population of one million to two million, an estimate Oppenheimer notes is larger than his but considerably less than the substantial replacement of the English population assumed by others. The Norman invasion of A.D. 1066 brought not many more than 10,000 people, according to Haerke.

Other geneticists say Oppenheimer's reconstruction is plausible, though some disagree with details. Several said that genetic methods did not give precise enough dates to be confident of certain aspects, like when the first settlers arrived.

Bryan Sykes, another Oxford geneticist, said he agreed with Oppenheimer that the ancestors of "by far the majority of people" were present in the British Isles before the Roman conquest of A.D. 43. "The Saxons, Vikings and Normans had a minor effect, and much less than some of the medieval historical texts would indicate," he said.

see also:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/science/05cnd-brits.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

9. Nancy in Arkansas: Food Tolerance and the Law
Subject: DNA and lactose tolerance

About lactose tolerance...Yair, my Y-DNA is R1a and I drank milk all the time I was young. When I was a young mother and wife, I read about the pure and impure foods. I noticed that when I drank milk or ate milk products from that time, I would have allergic reactions. Not bad, just slight stomach upset or a headache when I would overeat that milk product.
I loved cornbread and sweet milk just by itself. I ate that all during my growing up years but as I got older after my first child, and gaining Biblical knowledge, I could not eat it without allergies.
Do you think that ancient Israelites obeyed God on the whole for the pure and impure foods and that this is something in our dna memory banks that once awakened, we have to obey God's laws or else reap the consequences? I love God and strive to serve Him in every way I can but I do have occasional lapses in eating food that is not good for my body.
Thank you for all your work. Wish I could afford to purchase your books and help you more.
Nancy , Arkansas

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