"Brit-Am Now"-991
Contents:
1. Question on Judahites
amongst Lost Tribes
2. Comment on Judah: Preliminary List of Traits
3. Question on Ireland and Ulster, Anti-Semitism, and longish Brit-Am Reply
4. BAMBI Biblical Proofs
5. Brit-Am Questionaire
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Thanks for defining what a "normal ten triber" is. As I went through this latest newsletter, it occurred to me that along with the lost TEN tribes, are also those who are lost of Judah. Those Judahites that left the land of Judea. The ones that are documented through history to have also scattered amongst some of the same places as their ten tribe brethren. Do you also include them in your efforts to discover or reach them?
I am talking about Judahites that either only recently discovered their roots or still don't know who they are. Judahites that truly have lost their identity in that they do not practice their faith as Jews in the land of Israel do or those who do have a substantiated genetic heritage that is still being observed throughout the world wherever they live. I believe there are Judahites out there that were never raised in the faith, but their lineage is of Judah none-the-less. They have no knowledge of who they are because it was lost so long ago thorugh the family generations for whatever reason that may have occurred.
Is there effort to also help them?
Thanks, M.
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Reply:
If you go the article on the Ten Tribes by Nachmanides
http://britam.org/Nachmanides.html
you will see how he speaks of members of the Ten Tribes
who fled to Judah and are counted as part of Judah since their Tribal
expression will be obtained elsewhere.
So too, there were many of Judah who became absorbed amongst the Ten Tribes
are you suggested. In addition throughout history there were members of Judah
who were
were lost and whom we regard as "Captive Jews".
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesCaptiveJews.html
There are sources that indicate that many of these will be redeemed together
with the
Ten Tribes and may even play an active part in helping to bring the Ten Tribes
back.
Through reaching out to the Ten Tribes were reach out also to them.
We do not however have any special program or even advisary capabilities for
such people.
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2. Comment on
Judah: Preliminary List of Traits
From: T
re "Brit-Am Now"-990
#5. Traits of Judah
Although I don't know the verses behind it but I also see Judah as very
community oriented compared to Joseph. It seems that History shows Judah as
literally living and dying as a community. Even in the understanding of Biblical
salvation, Joseph is caught up in the individual salvation of Christianity where
I think for the Jew salvation is corporate.
Perhaps that is included in "prepared to sacrifice self for good of
others"
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3. Question on
Ireland and Ulster, Anti-Semitism, and longish Brit-Am Reply
From: Jonathan Tillotson <jon_tillotson@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: "Brit-Am Now"-990
#1. Francis Hynds: Ulster and Israel
Re Francis Hynds email I was wanting to clarify if he was saying that he believes many of the people in Southern Ireland are not descended from Israelites.
If so, is this also the position of BRIT AM?
I also wanted to mention that inter-Israelite discord, hatred between the tribes of Israel, is very ancient, and defines the relations between the 2 kingdoms from Solomon to Rehoboam. Would you say, Yair, that all hatred of the Jewish modern State of Israel (including that referred to by Francis in Eire) is indicative of a NON-Israelite status, or might some anti-Jewishness be compatible with an Israelitish ancestry -and rather be reflective of that ancient rivalry between the tribes.
If the southern Irish people can be associated with Israel, can the tensions between the Ulster and Eire be understood by them belonging to different tribal groups? If so, which ones I wonder. Or does Ulster demarcate an Israelite boundary as I suspected Francis was meaning.
Personally I have for long cherished the idea that a shared understanding of a common Israelitish ancestry amongst the peoples of The British Isles might form a basis for a true reconciliation between England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland of a kind more genuine and deep than that brought about since the early 18th cenury by the enforced political union under English hegemony known as The United Kingdom. And I say that as an Englishman who is both ashamed of Englands treatment of the Celtic peoples, yet desirous of their genuine friendship.
Best wishes
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Brit-Am Reply:
The post of Francis Hynds said that Ulster had always been different from the
rest of Ireland.
He also said that on the whole Ulster had been anti-Nazi and later sympathetic
towards Israel
whereas the same could not be said for Eire.
Whatever else he may have intended was not in the post.
The position of Brit-Am is that we do not know,
i.e. just because an individual comes from an area where many of the Lost Ten
Tribes
sojourned does not make them automatically an Israelite so too
may the same apply to a good portion of the said populations today.
On the one hand,
We have Criteria and one of those Criteria is
the relative degree of sympathy or lack of it towards Judah.
http://www.britam.org/criteria.html
On the other hand,
(as you say) there always existed some tension between Judah and Joseph
and Prophecy indicates that this will continue until the end times (Isaiah
11:10).
[Isaiah 11:13] THE JEALOUSY OF EPHRAIM SHALL DEPART, AND THOSE WHO HARASS JUDAH
SHALL BE CUT OFF; EPHRAIM SHALL NOT BE JEALOUS OF JUDAH, AND JUDAH SHALL NOT
HARASS EPHRAIM.
http://britam.org/isaiah/chap-eleven.html
<<Concerning who did Isaiah pronounce this prophecy. He was speaking only
concerning Judah and Joseph. S aid Rabbi Shmuel son of Nachman in the name of
Rabbi Yonathan, when Joseph and Judah were arguing the Holy Angels said to each
other, Let us go down and see what is happening. Usually when a bull and a lion
confront each other the bull retreats before the lion. In this case a bull
(Joseph) and a lion (Judah) are arguing and there is a standoff. Jealousy will
continue to abide between these two until the Messiah comes, as it says, "THE
ENVY ALSO OF EPHRAIM SHALL DEPART, AND THE ADVERSARIES OF JUDAH SHALL BE CUT
OFF: EPHRAIM SHALL NOT ENVY JUDAH, AND JUDAH SHALL NOT VEX EPHRAIM" [Isaiah
11:13].>> (Midrash Tanchuma, VaYigash, 4).
Also one must take into account the historical and cultural circumstances.
England for instance in 1290 expelled the Jews and before then they were treated
very badly
for a long time. During the period in question England was ruled by the Feudal
System
and the English subjects themselves were not treated well.
A man could be drawn and quartered for eating
fish on Friday up until the time of Henry vii!
The Irish of Eire suffered somewhat under the English
and after that were dominated by reactionary fascist type elements
associated with the Roman Church.
[The Catholic Church in England itself was apparently different and enlightened
and so were some of the Church Functionaries in Ireland.
We are not making a blanket condemnation of all Catholics just of an element
within them].
We agree with you that the message of Brit-Am could well become a unifying
element for all Israelites.
Just for the record, Yair Davidiy, through his non-Jewish father may be
descended from
an Irishman.
Our DNA record for what it is worth links us to Nial of the Nine hostages:
http://www.britam.org/Questions/NialDNA.html
Our personal DNA gives us (YSearch FTDNA) about 8 exact matches: 1 in the
USA (Kentucky),
two unknown (but with Irish or Scottish names, i.e. O'Daniel and MacDonald),
and 5 in Ireland.
http://www.britam.org/Questions/YairDNA.html
In Ireland (scroll down to Map)
one is in Cavan south of Ulster, one in Monaghan southeast of Ulster,
and one in Louth also southeast of Louth with another one further south in Cork.
There is therefore a concentration to the south of Ulster and for all I know
could be descended
from native Irish who were expelled from Ulster!
Or I could descend from those native Irish who amalgamated with
the newer settlers in Ulster. See what a close cluster of not-exact but still
very-close matches I
have in the northeast of Ulster!
A lot of near-matches are scattered throughout Ireland, with some emphasis on
the north, and with some also in Scotland
mainly in the Southwest.
The Irish of Eire may not have such an outstanding record in many areas as the
people of Ulster
but they have produced many brave soldiers and military tacticians
as well as poets, writers, musicians, and some scientists, and social reformers.
They appreciate learning though often not learned.
Many of them in private capacities also identified with the Jews, helped the
Jewish people,
and supported the State of Israel though this tendency unfortunately did not
carry over
to official policy and has not been adopted by the bulk of the population.
In Short, Brit-Am has a message.
Brit-Am cannot decide matters that are not so.
Because Brit-Am declares that such and such a people are Israelites
does not make them all so and vice versa.
We can however do our research, hope and pray that the Almighty guide us,
and publish our findings.
Things may not be as exact as they should be but that is what we have.
Through publishing our findings, encouraging further research and discussion,
our findings may be further refined and all of us enabled to approach closer to
the
truth.
This is how Divine Providence wants it and this should instill within us all the
necessary humility
and trepidation needed when approaching this subject.
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4. BAMBI Biblical
Proofs
http://www.britam.org/Broadcasts.html
New Feature: Biblical Proofs
Introduction
http://britam.org/Broadcasts/Bibproof1.mp3
This is the first talk of a new feature.
It lasts only 15 minutes
and we think it worth listening to.
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5. Brit-Am
Questionaire
Answers to Q. no 6
http://www.britam.org/Survey.html#in
Where in your opinion should Brit-Am place most of its emphasis?