November 13, 2002
Contents:
1. Sweden: KINNARED (like kinneret)
2. Anti-Norman sentiments in early
USA
3. Putin Who?
1. Sweden: KINNARED (like kinneret)
Subject: Re: Biblical Names: Sweden
The best name in Sweden is still: the
town: KINNARED (like kinneret, harp
and the galilean sea)
From Elin in Norway and thanks
for the conference in Jerusalem i september
which I attended
2. Anti-Norman sentiments in early USA
On the Anglo-Saxon list (ANSAX-L) there
is an interesting thread concerning
USA constitutional thought and Anglo-Saxon
loyalties. Apparently Thomas
Jefferson and others
looked back to the Anglo-Saxon period
in England before the Norman Conquest
for traditions of a "Republican"-type
nature suitable to US sensibilities.
Is there something in this?
Elements from the Anglo-Saxon rulers
before the Normans traditionally went
ot Scotland after the Norman invasion.
The Scots-Irish were later important
in the colonization of the USA.
We have identified the USA with Manasseh.
In "Joseph" we identified many of the
immigrants to the USA as coming from
the west
and north, i.e. mainly non-Anglo-Saxon
areas but even those who came from
"English" regions
within Britain had belonged to dispossessed
social groups who did not
really belong
and had previously existed on the fringe
regions of the feudal structure,
as we explained.
We identified the Normans as being
dominated by Benjamin.
The Tudors I believe brought Ephraim
elements to the fore.
Cromwell and his men represented Manasseh
within Ephraim.
The Stuarts and they who followed reflected
Ephraim elements.
Anyway here are some of the postings:
Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson To: ANSAX-L@LISTSERV.WVU.EDU
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In the process of my Domesday Book
research for a monograph I found that
royal institutions and customs in 1086
had in the main been inherited
from the 9th century, and I suspect
even earlier from the early 8th
century. These customs are explained
in Black's Law Dictionary which
explain terminology that can be traced
in documents of the period. This
may have changed in some way after
William the Conqueror died, but in one
respect, the royal fee farm, continued
to the end of the 17th century.
At that time institutions were being
challenged.
Hope this helps,
Bea
On 11/11/02 10:22 AM Kalev Peekna writes:
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>
>In identifying certain political
liberties as "pre-Norman" or "Anglo-Saxon,"
>Jefferson et. al. are following
a line of argument established more than a
>century before in mid-C17 England.
That they should do so is not
>surprising, given the well-established
affection among American
>intellectuals for English republican
thought of the Interregnum and late
>Restoration periods (on this
see treatments by Wood, Maier, or Bailyn. To
>the individual who claimed that
there are no English models for Republican
>governments, I can only reply:
31 January 1649).
>
>"Throwing off the Norman Yoke"
was a rhetorical stance adopted by those with
>an interest in combating the
dominant monarchist theories of the day. The
>appeal to the Anglo-Saxon past
was part of a more general rejection of
>continental legal and political
theories in the Roman tradition -- theories
>were were increasingly, and
to some alarmingly, popular in the Stuart
>courts. The search for ancient,
"immemorial" liberties which pre-dated the
>establishment of a strong central
monarchy in England inspired a good deal
>of research in the Anglo-Saxon
period and its legal institutions
>
To these
>opponents of the Stuart court,
Parliament represented the best of England's
>oldest institutions, while the
court represented the worst of the youngest.
>
>cheers,
>--Kalev Peekna
>Chicago, IL
>
3. Putin Who?
From: Joan Griffith
Subject: Re: Royalty
This article is from http://www.rense.com
Sorry, I could not email from the web
page. This is extremely interesting
because it ties in with my pet theory
that all of the European royals are
descended from David.
Joan Griffith
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just
that I stay with problems longer."
Albert Einstein
Putin' - More Evidence Western Royalty
Is All Related
Tsar Vladimir Putin?
By Gennady Klimov and Maria Orlova
Based on the materials from the Tver
newspaper Karavan
Translated by Dmitry Sudakov
Pravda.ru
11-6-2
Vladimir Putin could have royal blood
Russian president Vladimir Putin has
been a mystery almost for everyone
since moment of his election. He seemed
to be a man with no past, inspired
by the symbol of the new epoch, but
deprived of historic roots. Research
conducted by journalists from the
Russian city of Tver has become a sensation.
It was discovered that the
parents of the Russian president came
from the Kalininsky area of the Tver
region.
The president,s family tree is not
traced before Putin,s grandfather
Spiridon Putin, who left Tver for St.
Petersburg at the age of 15. Vladimir
Putin,s grandfather was a serious,
reserved man of immaculate honesty.
Spiridon Putin became a good cook.
He worked in fancy restaurants in
St.Petersburg before the revolution
of 1917. Later, he was invited to cook
for Lenin himself. When Lenin passed
away, Spiridon Putin started working
at one of Stalin,s dachas. Putin,s
grandfather managed to survive this
horrid period of the Soviet history.
When he retired, he lived and cooked
at a holiday camp of the Communist
Party. Vladimir Putin describes his
grandfather as a man who liked remaining
silent most of the time.
The researchers did not manage to trace
the origin of this last name Putin.
The world-wide web knows only one Putin
Vladimir Vladimirovich, the Russian
president. Therefore, using online
search engines is completely worthless
in this quest. No other scientists
of history and no dictionary mention
anything about the name Putin among
tens of thousands of other names.
On the other hand, there has recently
been a surprising fact discovered.
Vladimir Putin looks like Prince Mikhail
Tverskoy. They both are not tall,
with little hair, and similar noses.
Is Putin a descendant of the Tver
prince? This hypothesis is gaining
more and more support. The name Putin is
not mentioned among the Russian names.
This means that the name is of
foreign origin.
The name Putin appeared recently, sometime
in the middle of the 19th
century. All Putins originally came
from the Putin clan of the Tver region.
Illegitimate offspring of noble families
were often given shortened names.
For example, Russian writer Pnin was
an illegitimate son of Field Marshal
Repnin. There have been many other
such occasions: Betskoy instead of
Trubetskoy and Gribov instead of Griboyedov.
The new names of unofficial
clan branches were formed by means
of deduction: a syllable was simply
taken out of the origional name.
A book on the Tver region mentions
the name of Putyanin, a clan of Russian
princes. This clan gave Russian many
outstanding military leaders, as well
as artists, politicians, and priests.
This is one of the oldest clans in
Russian history. If President Putin
is a descendant of the Putyatin clan,
this means that Vladimir Putin is related
to nearly all the royal families
of Europe.