28 Nov 2002
1. GEORGE W. BUSH: The President's
2. Cherokee origins??
1. GEORGE W.
President's Hanukkah Message
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the
For Immediate Release
I am pleased to send greetings to
everyone celebrating Hanukkah, the festival of
For eight days and nights, Hanukkah commemorates the
rededication of the Holy
Temple in Jerusalem and the
ancient story of Israel's courageous faith.
In a victorious
struggle against their oppressors, the Maccabees heroically
overcame enormous odds to liberate the ancient kingdom of
reminds us that faith can give us the
strength to overcome oppression. Today, the
spirit of the
Maccabees continues to live and thrive among the Jewish people
in the State of Israel.
During the eight days of
Hanukkah, Jews throughout the world gather with
and friends to rejoice and celebrate. Each night, they light a
of the menorah to commemorate the miracle of the lamp
that, with only enough
oil for one day, burned in the ancient
Temple for eight days. The festival of
lights culminates on
the eighth night when all the candles burn in unity,
symbolizing the eternal light of the Temple and the
long-standing struggle of the
Jewish people against
Americans join in thanking God for our blessings and renew
to the values of faith, family,
and community that make us strong. The candles
remind us that in the face of darkness, goodness will prevail.
joins me in sending our best wishes for a joyous Hanukkah.
2. Cherokee origins??
Subject: Fwd: Re:Cherokee origins??
Reb Yair: Shalom v'chag Hahodayah simcha
I am forwarding you a
response to your article on the Cherokee Indians from a
who is a member of that tribe of holy people.
In a message dated 11/27/02 5:03:26 PM,
Shalom Rebbe! Thank
you for thinking of me. Here's my interpretation -
Cherokee is the
approved anglicised from of the name rendered Tsalagi
in the Cherokee
> We were always told in school Cherokee was the
French word for
people". The Tsalagi and French
were trade partners & many times came
to each others
rescue. Colonial day Cherokee adopted some clothing from the
French and it is still part of what we call "traditional
clothing". Of course
real traditional Tsalagi clothing is bare
naked draped in a feather cape.
The Choctaw, whose language was
long the trade medium in the Southeast,
called the Cherokee CHALAKKI,
this having been recorded in early
Spanish records as the name of the
"Province of Chalaque," a part of
the historic habitation of the tribe
in what is now western North
Carolina, Never heard of this
Province of Chalaque.
highland, the usual interpretation of Chalakki
has been "cave
people," from the Choctaw work chuluk or chiluk meaning
>Perhaps, but I would say it is questionable. The
Cherokee. A small band got in dispute with other
tribal members... there were
disagreements, someone pitched a hissy
fit, marched off, some family
and friends tagged along-alas
the Choctaw were born. So how much could the
language deviate that
much after separation? Apparently not a whole lot
Tsalagi speakers tell me they can converse effortlessly
Choctaw. The Cherokee name for cave is "ustagalayi" .
Tsalagi might be mnemonic signifying "Ancient
Tobacco People," from
their name for wild tobacco tsal-agayun li from
the Cherokee words
tsalu, "tobacco" and agayun li, "old" or "ancient".
> I think
this is grasping at straws. A lot of our words begin with
Tsali is our name for Charlie. A man known to us as
Tsali is the reason
I am alive today. He prevented the removal
of all the Cherokee peoples from
the Smoky Mtns. Because of
this those who escaped the Trail of Tears are
known as Eastern
Cherokee & still live in our sacred Smoky Mtns. So it is
suggested Tsalagi meant " Tsali's or Charlie's People". As a
child I was also
told the "real" name of the people was either
Wanaugwa or Tsaunga which was
suppose to mean "children of the
Forest". I have not seen that written anywhere
name origin has been debated as much as the which came first
or egg story. I don't think anyone really knows anymore.
some of the oldest tribal ceremonials, they referred to themselves an Ani
signifying " People of
>Technically incorrect...the Kituwa or Keetoowah are
a secret society
of traditional elders within the tribe. There
are the Kituwa & Etowa
societies. The Cherokee are well
primarily of the "round hed" type, and are medium to tall
> Okay what Cherokee was he looking at? As my mom
would say Cherokee
are short & dumpy people. Even among
the men most are short. There are
families of super-tall slim
Cherokee and they are thought to be from another
was "absorbed" ages ago. It is suggested the Blackfeet were this
The fullblood men usually have more of an olive than
a dark complexion, and some of the women are fairer,
That's accurate. We're not the infamous redskins. :) the tribe having
noted for its beautiful girls, especially among the mixed
> Yes of course we are all very beautiful! lol
The Cherokee are known for their quick tempers,
> only if
they are mixed blood Irish... my greatgrandma said Cherokee
Irish blood doesn't mix good & that's why the mixed women are so dang
tempermental & moody. Many Cherokee are shy & quiet by
and some of their friends have said that they are
shrewd and crafty in their dealings.
> True. Try dealing with
one of the "coyote" medicine men. They can be real
and like to mess with you. A Cherokee legend that tells of a prehistoric
a land toward the rising sun was lost a a very early
> Legends I know... "our brothers in red cloaks who
come from the
East" are said to be the Tibetans... the monks
wear red cloaks even today.
I'm told we are a group that broke off
from the Maya. Of course they
were in South America, however
I'm not sure where the Maya say they originated
from. Old Cherokee artwork looks much like Mayan... the spooky carved
... we are free to
set our soul out to the wind - Corey Hart
3. Amerindians: (borrowed
from another list)
A philosopher once said, "Define your
terms and I'll have an
intelligent conversation with you."
This is NOT an intelligent conversation because
Native American cannot
be defined, much less "Native American looks."
The Navajo look Central
Asian. They only came to America in 1233 C.E.,
fleeing from Ghengis
Khan. Their homeland is in southern former
southeastern tribes like the Creek and Cherokee look like
senators and were so painted by the artist Turnbull. The Abenaki
like Norsemen and Irishmen (probably because they were mixed with
settlers in pre-Columbian times). Maya look like Dravidians from
Caribs look Maylasian. There was more racial diversity in the
than in Europe. The stupid thing was the Spanish and other
lumped any and all people they found here together. Even
today if a
skeleton is dug up in America and it is over 500 years old
automatically declared Native American.
(who probably doesn't look Native American but
From: Claude Boisseau
Subject: News of one of the
I have read with interest your position about
the ten lost tribes of Israel.
I am glad to see that a
Judaite considers the Jews as one of the twelve
tribes and does not
represent alone the Israelites.
I am a member of the Church of
Jesus-Christ of Latter Day Saints, known
also as the Mormons.
We have the same position as yours concerning the
Israel. We believe they were taken away in about 720 BCE to Assyria.
acknowledge they went in a later time to Europe and also to Asia.
we believe the most of them went to Europe and
particularly in the
countries you describe as Great Britain,
and the North countries.
In my Church we also believe we represent the
tribe of Ephraim the son
of Joseph who was sold and taken away
in Egypt. We believe the efforts of
our missionnaries are to
gather together this tribe firstly then the other
consider with sympathy the efforts of the Judaites to
back to our original homeland. In 1840, the first prophet of
Restoration, Joseph Smith, sent an apostle Orson Hyde to Palestine
dedicate the country for the next return of the Judah tribe. He
from USA and after more than six months of travel, he
arrived at Jerusalem
where he offered a prayer to the Most
High and gave a blessing for the return
Brit-Am Comment: From experience I know that a few of our
Christian subscribers will get
irritated with me because I even
allowed a Mormon to say something about his
The person is speaking here of where his beliefs coincide
with those of Brit-Am and therefore it
is of interest to
Brit-Am. From what I understand the Mormons believe
members descend from the Lost Tribes (mostly from Ephraim) and this is of
interest to us.
Several Millions of people, a whole state in
the USA, etc, all agreeing on the identity question in
principle with Brit-Am is significant.
[It's a pity most of them never
heard of us].
We are commanded in the Bible to seek the truth, to seek
true religion.Religions answer the needs of people.
cases they answer these needs in the wrong way or they answer them
in ways that are only partially correct; or they answer the wrong
needs. Certain people feel a need to know that they are part of the
people. Most of the world does not. Where
this need exists it has significance. In some cases it may reflect
Brit-Am proves that this reality