"Brit-Am Now"-21

"Brit-Am Now"-21
1.Ogam and Old Arabic
2. Temple Mount and British officer Charles Warren
3. JUDAESAPTAN, legendary kingdom in Austria

Date: 05/23/2002 11:47:44 AM Central Daylight Time

From: wayne robinson
There is a program on israelnet.tv concerning writings in ogam and
old Arabic that have been found in eastern Kentucky U.S.A.. It would seem
that some of these were placed there BCE by visitors from Europe and the
middle-east. Also found is a place that Baal worship was carried out.
Wayne Robinson

Comment: Sounds like the program was based on the findings of Barry Fell
and his school. If these findings are correct then they incidentally
strongly confirm Brit-Am researches. We however do not usually refer to
these claims since they are not generally accepted, we can prove our points
from more conventionally accepted researches and our own controversial
beliefs are already more than enough for most people.

Subject: RE: "Brit-Am Now"-20 To: 'Yair Davidiy' <britam@netvision.net.il>
British officer Charles Warren was the first scholar to excavate north
the Temple Mount, in the Christian Quarter. Everywhere he worked, says
Barkai, Warren noted that the color of the earth above the rock was
making it possible to distinguish pottery fragments found in it from
potsherds. Warren also wrote about "oil candles" - open clay candles
typical of the First Temple period - that he found in the Jewish and
These "scholars" [maximimalists and super-maximalists] are completely
misinterpreting the data. Potshards found in the surrounding area are
not proof of an expanded permanent population. Are these "scholars"
totally unaware of the effect of the three pilgramage festivals on the
city of Jerusalem. The male population of the entire nation was
commanded by G-d to go up to Jerusalem for Pesach/Chag HaMatzah
(Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread), Shavuot (Pentecost), and
Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles). Large encampments would exist around the
city during these times. This would explain the fact that no permanent
structures were found while potshards and lamp fragments were found.
Gregory R.

At 01:38 PM 5/16/2002 +0530, you wrote:
The Encyclopedia Judaica has an entry on Judaeasaptan, a Jewish kingdom
in Austria. Is it a legend?

Encyclopedia Judaica:
JUDAESAPTAN, legendary kingdom in Austria. The legend, first printed in
Hagen's chronicle (15th century), relates how the Jew Abraham of
Theomanaria arrived in Austria 800 years after the flood and founded the
kingdom of Judaesaptan whith its capital, Stockerau; there he reigned for
33 years, while his sons ruled as tetrarchs in Korneuburg, Tulin, and
Vienna. The 16 th century historian Wolfgang Lazius, attempted to establish
the truth of the legend (which was considered historic fact even in 1783)
by interpreting Hebrew inscriptions on tombstones. Another version speaks
of two men, Saunas and Juda Saptai, who established the kingdom in 1700
B.C.E. Yet another version  credits them with the founding of Vienna. One
chronicle enumerates 72 Jewish princes, ruling in Austria until 200 B.C.E.

From "Lost Israelite Identity" (1996) by Yair Davidy:

         The early center of Celtic Halstatt civilization was centered in
Austria. A Latin document known as The Austrian Chronicle and purporting to
be based on ancient traditions may shed some light on Cimmerian origins.
This source says that Central Europe had been subjected by the Assyrians
and that Jews exiled by Sennacherib were carried into Eastern Europe along
the Danube River. Beginning in ca. 707 b.c.e. says the Chronicle, the
Jews  overcame a certain King Gennan who then became Jewish; consequently,
the Jews intermarried with the local rulers in the regions of Austria and
Hungary, the pagans were subdued  and the whole country was Jewish until
ca.227 c.e. This legend sounds quite far-fetched but it is interesting to
compare it with known fact: Many Jews from Judah were exiled by Sennacherib
and they appear to have joined the northern Lost Ten Tribes in Exile and to
have become identified with them; There are signs in Europe at this time of
Assyrian influence; the Cimmerians (who at the least included Israelites
amongst them) did come westward in the period ca. 700-650 b.c.e. and did
gain control; A Cimmerian-Celtic presence may have remained more or less
dominant in the area of Austria up until the late date ascribed to Jewish

         Celtic Civilization in Austria is referred to as Halstatt. The
Halstatt civilisation of central and western Europe was brought after
conquest by a group using wagon burials19, long Assyrian type swords, and a
peculiar type of helmet. The said helmet appears to previously have been
employed by horsemen in the land of Israel, it was later found in use by
horsemen in Assyrian service, and was afterwards to be considered typically
"Scythian". The horse gear of the newcomers to Halstatt was Oriental and is
recognisable as that employed by Assyrian cavalrymen or (depending on
which  dates are relied on) was then being used contemporaneously by
horsemen in Assyrian employ. At the same time (or shortly before as
mentioned above) as the centre of Halstatt civilisation was being
conquered, a different group gained control of Hungary to the east. This
second entity had emerged from Anatolia after 660 and smashed the Illyrian
power in the Balkans. They are identifiable as another group of
Cimmerians20 or Scythians. They practiced single burial21 and their horse
gear connects them to the Caucasus22 and "Iranian"23 areas, and reveals
them to have been close culturally to the Scyths proper24. The two separate
bodies intermerged and after ca.500 b.c.e.25 are indistinguishable.
Halstatt civilisation in its strict sense began well after 700 b.c.e. i.e.
after the arrival of the Cimmerians. Archaeologists have noticed "striking
analogies in weapons and ornaments, in brooches and pottery found in
Russian Armenia and the Hallstatt area of Europe"26. Russian Armenia means
the territory held by Urartu wherein the Cimmerians had previously
established themselves. The Cimmerians forefathered the Celts and "it is
generally agreed that the Celts came from the east by the valley of the
Danube"27. The newcomers in the west practiced four-wheeled chariot
burials. The wheels of their chariots are unlike those previously used in
Urnfield Europe BUT the same as those of Assyrian carts from the 700s
b.c.e. as seen on palace reliefs28. The chariots of Halstatt civilisation
had a standard gauge (3' 6" to 3' 9"), examples of which have been found in
Britain, and whose origins hark back to the city of Ur in ancient
Mesopotamian Sumer.*29
         Piggott noted "how Asia Minor, Syria, and the far-off kingdom of
Urartu round Lake Van contributed to the toreutic art [i.e. metal
embossing] of prehistoric Europe"30. Piggott was referring mainly to the
Halstatt period after 600 b.c.e. He noted both the Greek and Phoenician
influences on this art.
         The term "Phoenician" includes Israelite. The Neo-Assyrian era is
associated with the re-settlement of Israelite exiles. It was noticed that
a new type of horse harness and bridle from the era of king Sargon onwards
led to a greater emphasis on the employment of cavalry (as against
chariotry) in the Assyrian armed forces. Regarding this innovation from the
700s b.c.e. onwards, Piggot says that,
"Probably Cimmerian north Pontic peoples" were responsible for, "the
appearance of a whole group of novel metal types associated with the bridle
bits and harness of horses"....
         "From the Hungarian plain to the Swiss Lakes, Belgium, the south
of France, and even Britain and Scandinavia"...
         "Their distribution stretches eastward to the Caucasus, and it has
recently been pointed out that Assyrian horse bits, constantly depicted on
their monumental reliefs, change, late in the eighth century, into versions
of this same type,.."

i.e. Cimmerian migrations may be traced from the Assyrian-dominated Middle
East across Europe into Britain. They were noted for their equestrian
specialties as the exiled Israelites (with whom they are associable) had been.
         Apparently referring to Cimmerian (and Scythian) influence on  the
Assyrians, Urartians, and Persians, Piggot remarks:
" The Cimmerians  have been invoked  as an ultimate agent in the further
adoption of cavalry from the seventh century onwards by the contemporary
civilisations of antiquity" 31.
Similar traces of the Cimmerians also appear at Carcamish in north Syria on
the Euphrates and in Persia.