April 25, 2003
At 00:44 24/04/2003 -0400, "W" wrote:
That was a great lesson in BritAM 236. But what has been bothering me is how
did the Scythians, putatively become the Angles, Goths, Jutes and Picts of
the European Migrations? When How and why did the Scythian Empire fade away?
And what happened to the Assyrians, did they merge into the Scythian empire?
Were the Huns, Tartars and others Scythian-Israelite ?And does the term
Scythian include many non Israelites, such as the term American today
includes many non-Israelites?
<<And what happened to the Assyrians, did they merge into the Scythian empire?
Were the Huns, Tartars and others Scythian-Israelite ? And does the term
Scythian include many non Israelites, such as the term American today
includes many non-Israelites?>>
The term "Scythian" was sometimes applied to any people who dwelt in "Scythia".
The area of "Scythia" could sometimes be considered as stretching from
Northern China to Eastern Europe. Even Britain and Scandinavia are
sometimes referred to by the Romans as "Scythia". The very name
"Scandinavia" originally appears to have been "Scathanavia" meaning
something like "Land of the Scyths". Even so in the modern sense, and also
as employed by the Geographer Ptolemy (ca 100 CE), Scythia was more
Southern Russia leading into Central Asia in the east and Eastern Europe in
After having probably succeeded in confusing everybody (a bad habit of
mine) let me clarify further:
The Scythians in the Classical sense of the word were the group of peoples
referred to as "Sacae" by the Persians.
[The Alans and Khazars however were related to them and are also considered
Scythians even though they were not necessarily referred to as Sacae]
The Scythians first appeared on the borders of Northern Iraq and Northwest
Iran in Assyrian times. After that they moved into Southern Russia which
was called "Scythia" in their honor. They also at times controlled Siberia,
areas in China, and Eastern Europe all of which places could be sometimes
also called "Scythia" because of them. Later they moved to the west and
because of this Germany, Scandinavia, and Britain could also sometimes be
referred to as "Scythia". Peoples who they conquered or who came out of
areas they had previously controlled could also be mistakenly referred to
Remnants of the Assyrians may also have been referred to as Scythians and
have moved westward with them.
Craig White has done interesting work tracing Assyrians and Assyrian
subjects to Germany. Legends also trace the Assyrians to Austria and Hungary.
The Huns and Tartars emerged from what had formerly been called "Scythia"
and so were sometimes also considered Scythians.
Nevertheless, the original Scythians were the "Sakae" and kin and they were
mainly Israelites or at the least Israelites were a dominant element
In "The Tribes" we have shown in some detail how many Scythian Tribes had
the same names as Israelite Tribal clans and how after moving to the west
they often retained these very names and kept the same tribal formations in
relation to each other.
Most of the Northern Israelite exiles became identified with the
Cimmerians, Scythians, and Gothic groups.
Whether most of these groups were Israelite or not is a separate subject.
The point is that, at the very least, most of the Israelites were with them
and were destined to be a determining element amongst them.
Our major emphasis is on Biblical and related proofs though history is also
<<But what has been bothering me is how did the Scythians, putatively
become the Angles, Goths, Jutes and Picts of the European Migrations? When
How and why did the Scythian Empire fade away?>>
In our book "The Tribes" chapter three, and "Origin" chapter seven we
explained all of these subjects in some detail.
The "Scythians" were a group of different tribes each tribe being ruled by
its own monarch.
The Angles were known as the "Augali" and originally dwelt to the east of
the Caspian Sea. So did the Goths who are referred to as "Guti". [The
Massagetae were the "Great Goths". The "Great Goths" were known to
the Chinese of that time as "Ta-Guti" and this name was mistakenly
transliterated by modern scholars as "Yueh-chi".]
The Jutes (Iutae) also dwelt near the Augali (Angli) at that time.
The Picts were known as Agathyrsi and dwelt in the western sections of
Scythia. A Scythian Tribe known as the Royal Scythians ruled for a time
over all the other Scythians. The Royal Scythians (and other Scythian
groups) either worshipped "Joseph" or considered him their ancestor to be
revered and imitated, or both.
The following article adapted from "The Tribes" (Revised edition) CHAPTER
TWENTY-TWO also speaks of these matters in general terms:
A SUMMARY OF THE MIGRATIONS AND SOME RELATED PHENOMENON
The present day location of modern nationalities resulted
from migratory processes that affected several groups at once and are
historically significant in their own right. Part of the proof justifying
an equation of these nations with Israelites is derived from historical
paths connecting them to peoples who may be identified as Hebrews in the
past. It may therefore be of interest at this point to present a brief
summary of the historic patterns and proof which also serve to cast the
movements of these peoples in some kind of chronological perspective.
Together with segments of the southern two tribes in
Judah, the Assyrians had exiled the Ten Tribes of North Israel. The exiles
were taken to eastern Iran (Hara), the outer fringes of Mesopotamia (Elam,
Media, Manna, Adiabene), and to the Caucasus region (Iberia, and Sacasene).
The Hebrews became identifiable as (or with) the Scythians, Cimmerians, and
Guti. Some Israelites had also been transferred directly to TARSHISH in
southwest Spain whence they moved to the northwest of Spain and from there
passed over into Britain and Ireland. In the Middle East area the mainly
Cimmerian branch of exiles was driven via Turkish Anatolia into the Balkans
of Europe. In the Balkans a portion of the Cimmerian host became known as
the Getae and Dacae who ultimately moved northward into Scandinavia and
also were to participate in the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain. Apart from
the Getae- and Dacae-offshoots,- the majority of Cimmerians had continued
their movement to the north and west to become identified with the Celts..
The Northern Israelites had been exiled in stages around
740-720 BCE and by 600-550 BCE the Israelite-Cimmerians had moved westward
and already dominated Central Europe and had laid the groundwork for
"Celtic" Civilization. Another wave of Israelites emerged from Scythia
after ca. 500 BCE and conquered the Celtic peoples. They gave rise to the
"La Tene" culture. By ca. 450 BCE with the sudden appearance of La-Tene
culture the centre of Celtic power moved into northern Gaul (France and
Belgium) whence it finally passed into Britain. Carriers of Celtic (or
"Galation") civilization invaded the Iberian Peninsula and absorbed
settlers of Hebrew descent in Spain and Portugal prior to being forced out
and into Gaul, Britain, and Ireland.. After 500-400 BCE waves of invaders
bearing Celtic culture entered Ireland and other areas of the British
Isles. From Ireland were to come many of the later settlers of Scotland,
west England, and Wales. The invaders of Ireland included the Tribe of DANA
who, according to Irish Mythology, had come from the region of Israel and
Phoenicia and passed through Greek and Scandinavian areas before settling
in Ireland. The major settlers of Ireland were the Milesians who arrived
after the Dana. The Milesians were also known as Gaedhals, Scotti, and
Hiberni or "IBERI" meaning HEBREWS. Their own traditions stated that they
had previously sojourned in Northwest Spain before which they had once been
in Egypt at the time when the Israelites were in bondage. The Egyptian
sojourn was in addition to their Scythian ancestry. Their forefathers (they
said) had once kept the Mosaic Law and their forces had at least included
people from the Children of Israel. Their ancestors bore Hebrew sounding
names such as Isru, Semuen, Iar, Hiber, and so on. The British Celtic
historian Gildas (ca. 550 CE) identified the western Celts with: "True
Israel of the Exodus". Celtic names in Britain and Ireland and Gaul
correspond to Hebrew origins. The Tribe of Giladon on the Continent was
known as Galadi and equals the Hebrew clan of Gilead from Menasseh. The
name "Galadi" was also rendered Galatae or Galatian. In Celtic Britain were
such names as Dannonia and the Don River after Dan of Israel, the Gadeni
tribe after Gad, the Isaaca River after Isaac, the Tamarus River after
Tamar (Genesis 38) an ancestral matriarch in the Tribe of Judah, the Simeni
Tribe after Simeon, the Iceni after Yachin son of Simeon, the Idumaus River
after Idumea (i.e. "Edom") on the Border of Simeon in the Land of Israel,
the Parissi after Peresh (Peres) a clan of Gilead in eastern Manasseh, etc.
The ethnic name "HIBERNI" or "IBERI" by which the peoples of Britain and
Ireland were known also means HEBREW and the root "EBER" recurs throughout
Celtic toponomy. Examples are Hibernia (Ireland), the Hebrides, Eboracum
(York), Hebromagus, Eborobritum, Eborodunum, Eborobriga and many more
especially in Gaul. Also in Gaul, the SAMARA River and the city of
Samarobriva were named after SAMARIA in Israel.
Classical mythology regarded the Jews as descendants or
followers of Saturn who in Greek and Roman eyes paralleled either the
patriarch Israel or the God of Israel. They also thought that Saturn and
his followers had founded the Galatian and Gallic nations and established a
dominion in Britain. Thus, in their own way the pagan Greeks and Romans
must have supposed some sort of ancestral connection between the Jews and
Celtic religion encompassed Druidism and was a mixture of
Hebrew and Canaanite elements. Canaanite and Syrian pagan gods were
worshipped such as Belmarcos, and Bel and human sacrifice was performed. At
the same time some sort of Monotheistic Notion also existed. There was an
aversion to images and ritual priestly traditions parallel those recorded
in the Hebrew Bible and in Jewish Oral Tradition. These facts are
consistent with the ancient Israelites having gone in the way of the
nations around them and having worshipped other gods. For this reason, they
had been exiled according to the Bible. The Celts in the west reveal
artistic and cultural similarities to the ancient Hebrews and Syrians and
to groups in Scythia from which area were to emerge the so called
"Barbarian" nations. The western Celts had evolved largely from the
Cimmerians who, when still in the Middle East, had previously given rise to
The Scyths had first appeared in the Middle East and an
examination of their ethnic nominations as well as what little information
is available about them indicated that they contained a significant
Israelite component. The Scythians gained a de-facto control of the
Assyrian Empire, co-operated with King Josiah of Judah and made Beth Shean
in former North Israel their operational headquarters. Eventually, they
lost power to the Medes and Babylonians who, together with the Persians,
pressured them northwards beyond the Mesopotamian and Iranian spheres.
The Royal Scythians established themselves north of the
Caucasus in the Eurasian steppe area after ca. 550 BCE. From about 350 BCE
they began to be pushed further northward and gravitated towards the
vicinity of Scandinavia which they began to re-populate after about 150
BCE. Meanwhile, east of the Volga River and Ural Mountain Range the
Sacae-Scyths and Gothic-Guti had established themselves. They were
associated with eastern and western branches of Sienbi and numerous
sub-groupings. After about 300 BCE climatic-changes and Hunic hostilities
began to force the Israelites of Scythia westward. The Western Sienbi
became known as Suebi (Swaefi) in Europe and from around 100 BCE via the
North Baltic coast and Scandinavia the Suebi advanced towards Gaul. At this
stage, the Belgae, Gauls, and minor German tribes (such as the Teutons and
Ambrons) in the west had in part also been dwellers of Scythia shortly
beforehand or else were offshoots from the Cimmerian-Celtic body. The
western Suebi were followed by the Angles and Saxons and Franks which
groups amalgamated with eastern Sienbi (Suebi) who came after them. All
these peoples in turn were to be dominated by the Goths who likewise had
been expelled from east Scythia and re-established themselves in Sweden and
in the area between the Baltic and Black Seas. The Goths were very closely
connected to the Vandals who in turn were quite numerous and consisted of
several clans. The Gothic Empire reached unto Denmark if not beyond. It was
to be destroyed by the still advancing Huns who pushed before them or
dragged in their train most of the Hebrew entities which still remained in
Scythia. The result of the Hun advance was the final overthrowing of the
Western Roman Empire by Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Alamans, Suebi, Franks,
Vandals, Angles, and Saxons. The Angles, Saxons, Jutes and other related
peoples invaded Britain in the 450's CE which time was also the height of
the Hun invasion under Attila in Western Europe. The Vandals included Varni
and others who are often mentioned in conjunction with Angles and Saxons
and part of the "Anglo-Saxon" forces invading Britain were actually of
Vandal origin. The Romans had previously settled some Vandals in Britain in
an attempt to stabilize Roman possession. While still in Eastern Europe the
Vandals had absorbed a Celtic people of high cultural standard who remained
as a recognizable sub-stratum in the Vandal polity. Likewise in Northern
England the Vandal-dominated Angles merged with the people of Celtic
culture they had conquered. Both Vandals and the Celtic groups they
commingled with were shown to be descended from the Israelite Tribe of
Asher. After the Anglo-Saxon and Frankish invasions of the west with
parallel movements by their associates, Scandinavia received another influx
of settlers from Scythia in the 500's CE. These were mainly Naphtalites and
Danes who soon overcrowded the Scandinavian area and were forced westward.
The Viking invasion from Denmark and Norway followed which process resulted
in settlement in England and Ireland. There was also a Viking settlement in
French Normandy which gave rise to the Normans. The Normans were descended
from the Tribe of Benjamin. From Normandy the Normans conquered England in
ISRAELITE ORIGINS OF BARBARIANPEOPLES
Proof that the "Barbarian" invaders of Western Europe were
largely Israelite consists of the following facts:
The places they emerged from in Scythia had been those identified with
specific Israelite clans whose names often correspond with those of the
relevant groups in Scythia.
The names of these peoples in Western Europe frequently correlate to
those of Israelite entities as does their relative positioning to each
other - as explained elsewhere.
They descended from Scythian or Scythian- connected peoples and
independent proofs showed a Scythian-Hebrew linkage;
Their language is consistent with that of Northern Israelites having
spoken a Phoenician influenced Hebrew dialect and having been exposed to
strong Median, Persian, and other influences;
Their mythical ancestors and some of their customs also prove their
Their national character on the whole is often that which would be
expected of Hebrews who had lost all knowledge of their real origins;
They gave rise to certain nations in Western Europe. The Bible and
Rabbinical Sources declare that the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel will be in
"islands", "on the coast", by the Atlantic Ocean and in the north and
possessing other characteristics. All of the signs indicated in Scripture
taken as a comprehensive whole are applicable only to the West European
peoples of today and their descendants.
THE FAMILY SCENE
The Identity-equations form an historical pattern of their
own with its own internal logic. There is a tendency for the same
combinations to recur and this in itself is indicative of the correctness
of method used in the present study. The importance of historical
associations tending to repeat themselves should be appreciated.