Brit-Am Now"-248
May 27, 2003

1. Religious Zionists
2. aztlan: Same Origins Receive Same Enemies
3.  Question on Ancient Israelite Population
4. Identity of Irish, Welsh, and some Germans

1. Religious Zionists
Re: Brit-Am Now"-247
>----- Original Message -----
> > Religious Zionists are the ones whose views are usually most consistent
> > with that of the Bible.
> > [They are also those who until now have proven themselves to be the most
> > open to the Brit-Am message].
>Mr. Davidiy
>Can you elaborate on them (religious Zionists) being the most open UNTIL NOW.
>Are they no longer open to the message?  What has changed and why?
>May our FATHER bless you.

No. I meant that Religious Zionists have been the most open (and still are)
to the Brit-Am message but I hope that other sections of Israeli society
will eventually prove themselves just as open or even more so. Together
with this it should be mentioned that most Israelis have never even heard
of us. We have prepared a work in Hebrew, hope to publish it, and also hope
to advertise in the local press. It is largely (at least initially) a
matter of funds. This applies everywhere.

2. aztlan: Same Origins Receive Same Enemies
A viciously  anti-American pro-Mexican movement uses Nazi-type propaganda
to attack the USA, the "Anglo" American people and the State of Israel and
the Jewish people in general.
The aim of this group is to take over all of California, Arizona, New
Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado
Even if the Israelite nations are sometimes slow to wake up to our kinship
and the unseen spiritual bonds between us our enemies frequently are not.

3.  Question on Ancient Israelite Population
[Adapted from another forum]
   At 2 Chronicles 13:3 the scriptures clearly
 >talk of armies of 400,000 and 800,000 men respectively. Therefore, the
 >population of Israel at the time would have to have been untold millions,
 >because one would have to add all the women and children, plus elderly,
 >plus those men not chosen for war, plus foreigners, etc. My questions now
 >are, if such a multitude of people existed in the days of Abijah and
 >Jeroboam where's the archaeological evidence of the enormous cities to
 >cater for such a population? Where are the numerous artefacts? Where is
 >the proof of such an enormous population, which would undoubtedly have
 >made Israel unquestioned masters of the Middle East at that time?


Israel at that time included areas east of the Jordan in Jordan as well as
sections of Syria and Lebanon.
Much of the region was very fertile at the time. If you travel in present
day Israel and in Judah and Samaria you will notice that every single
hillside is covered by terraces that are largely unworked at present or
only superficially attended to for the purpose of growing olives. These
terraces largely date back to Biblical times. They under right
circumstances would allow the maintenance of a very large population based
on agriculture. The society in Biblical times was so organized that every
male would participate in national military campaigns.
Regarding the population a parallel may be found in India.
The subcontinent of India before the British had a population of maybe
about 30 million (or less): The British united the country, prevented warfare,
slavery, infanticide and human sacrifice. They diminished diseases, developed
irrigation works, diminished hoarding of rice to drive the price up while
fellow citizens starved to death, lessened crime,  oppression, and
inequalities, etc.
Today the population of India is ca 1,046,000,000. The population of
Pakistan is ca 148,000,000
of Bangladesh ca 133,000,000
          Total: ca. 1,327, 000,000
The British have gone and India and Pakistan are progressing but the
situation could easily revert to what it once was.

Concerning Biblical Israel you asked:
 >where's the archaeological evidence of the enormous cities to cater for
 >such a population? Where are the numerous artefacts?

Numerous large hill-like mounds ("tells") etc throughout the land of Israel
cover the sites of what were once settlements. Most of these have not yet been excavated.
Every single cave was once inhabited.
numerous artefacts?
I do not know but pottery sherds are found everywhere. Private
archaeological digs are illegal but the Arabs do it all the time and
despite primitive methods and superficial efforts frequently come up with
plentiful finds that are sold illegally.

 >  Where is the proof of such an enormous population, which would
 > undoubtedly have made Israel unquestioned masters of the Middle East at
 > that time?

According to the Bible and Midrashim there were periods when Israel was a
powerful force in the Middle East and in the known world  in general.
I admit that I have an ideological bias: I want to believe in the Bible BUT
objective facts on the ground and logic support this position. You too
(along with many others) seem to have an ideological bias of your own that means that
no matter what the "facts" may be you will not own up to Biblical truth in any sphere.

4. Identity of Irish, Welsh, and some Germans
Timothy burton <> wrote:
>      I thought that the Irish and Scottish were predominately from the
> tribe of Manasseh.  Also, the Welsh and Irish look much different than
> their Scandanavian counterparts in Denmark.  Irish and Welsh folk are
> small to medium in stature, with very pale, freckled skin, red or dark
> hair, and green, blue, or hazel eyes, whereas Scandanvians typically have
> tanned skin, and are very tall and big boned and have blonde hair and
> blue eyes.  Once again, what Hebrew tribe/s are Germans members of in the
> region of Heidelberg, Germany? Sincerely, Tim

The following answer may seem a bit confusing since many elements are
present but the background has been explained in some detail in our publications,
especially The Tribes, Joseph, and Ephraim as well as Lost Israelite Identity.
Historically Manasseh was predominant in Scotland and Ulster and to a
degree in Ireland. The Migrations to North America caused much of Manasseh to
leave those areas. Those who remained appear to now become dominantly mixed Ephraim
and Manasseh in Scotland and Ulster; Simeon, Dan,and additional non-Israelite elements
in Ireland. Wales is Ephraim, Simeon, and Dan. There were once many from Gilead of
Manasseh in North Wales. In Wales we identified the Silures of the south as derived from
Shaul of Simeon.

As to Physical differences: To a degree these can be attributed to the  following:
a. Environmental influences that have been proven
as playing some part in how we look and what aspects of our genetical
inheritance become emphasized over time.
b. Genetical Drift: Certain families die out, others become dominant, a few
people have a lot of descendants, people intermarry
with their kinfolk etc all of which can cause  groups of the same origin to
eventually be genetically differentiated.

Historically we know that the Tribe of Dana (of Dan) was once in Ireland
though it may have been numerically small but later
came the Viking Danes and founded major cities including Dublin.
What you say regarding the present appearance of Irishmen and Welshmen may
well be so.
Nevertheless, descendants of Irishmen in Australia are of mixed appearance
but there is a definite "Scandinavian" type
present. Also movies of Irish Americans from the USA  appear to show the
same. So do Irish movies but admittedly to a much lesser degree.
I once met a whole group of Irish male tourists in  Jerusalem.  There was
about 20 of them and they all apparently came from the same area and looked
like they belonged to the same blonde fair large -bodied family.
In Denmark there are many more darkish types than in the rest of
Scandinavia. I once spent 12 hours in Copenhagen on a stop-over flight. The
blond "Viking" did not appear to be predominant.

In Ancient Israel there were very dark types, as well as very fair blond
and redheaded people. Different tribes and clans had differentiated
appearances to a degree.

Heidelberg, Germany: is in Baden in the southwest. About two-thirds of the
population of this region migrated to the USA
in the 1700s-1800s. Those who went belonged to Joseph probably mainly of
Manasseh. Those who remained were largely of
different non-Israelite stock. see our book, "Joseph".