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Brit-Am Now no. 1851: Ten Tribes Studies.
27 March 2012, 4 Nissan 5772
Contents:
1. Alexander Zephyr: All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews!!!
2. James: What "Race" is Brit-Am involved in?
3. Second Query from James: What are the Aims of Brit-Am?
4. Colin Power: Philosophical Encouragement.
5. Michelle Bowie: Irritated by Chuck Missler.
6. Andy Hoy: Sundry Remarks and Reservations.
Brit-Am Replies:
(a) Concentration on the Ten Tribes rather than all Twelve.
(b) Why Not Reserve the Term Israel for only the Ten Tribes??
(c) Request for Link and Proven Intention to Offend.
(d) We are Not all Brothers!
7. Question About the Basques.
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1. Alexander Zephyr: All Jews are
Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews!!! Re Brit-Am Now no. 1850: Ten Tribes Studies. #1. Judah was also known as Israel!!!! http://britam.org/now2/1850Now.html#1 All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews!!! 2. James: What "Race" is Brit-Am involved in? James wrote: Re Brit-Am Now no. 1850: Ten Tribes Studies. #1. Judah was also known as Israel!!!! http://britam.org/now2/1850Now.html#1 Mr. Davidy, Brit-Am Reply: We did not mean that we are literally facing a time-table known to us. We meant that the information is important. It could help and be of much good. We have an obligation to get this information out. For the moment we are functioning reasonably well and we hope that this will continue. We do not know how much time we have. It could be a great deal or it could be little. We meant that it is a pity that we need to devote time and energy to countering anti-Jewish prejudice. It is also unfortunate that our message is sometimes dismissed altogether due to its being associated with anti-Jewish elements whom themselves do not really believe in it. This is an historical fact. There is nothing much we can do about. The idea of the Ten Tribes being amongst western peoples was hijacked by anti-Jewish elements. It was not originally connected to them but they took it over. MOST Christian groups who believe in the Ten Tribes are not anti-Jewish. Brit-Am is not anti-Jewish but rather Jewish to some degree. Brit-Am and the pro-Jewish Christian believers in this message are the decent element. Those who are anti-Jewish are the obscenities. We, the decent elements, need to distance ourselves from the obscenities as much as possible. 3. Second Query from James: What are the Aims of Brit-Am? James wrote: Thanks for your reply. Brit-Am Reply: The goals of Brit-Am are: To prove where the Ten Tribes are. Research. To bring the relevant information to the attention of all especially those who should be most concerned with it, i.e. the Jews and the Ten Tribe Nations. This is Recognition. To work for the Reconciliation of the two sides. We also work to heighten and enhance Biblical Consciousness. This is an aspect of our Reconciliation activities. These are the Three Rs of Brit-Am: Research. Recognition. Reconciliation. 4. Colin Power: Philosophical Encouragement. RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1851: Ten Tribes Studies . Dear Yair, Thank you for sending me this recent message. I perceive that you are of Orthodox persuasion and I hope you aren't offended if I tell you I am a Christian. I am angered and saddened as I read the anecdote you sent me because I understand that when somebody stands up and tries to tell the truth there will always be those of mischievous and damaging spirit who will attempt to twist the truth into deception. Such are the people who would try to pit any one of the Tribes against another. I am a philosopher (a seeker of wisdom) and a scholar of both the old and new covenants and the apostle Paul spoke of the Word of God thus. It is sharper than any two edged sword and divides even to the bone and marrow. And those who twist it, do it to their own destruction, and in another place a curse is delivered on such people. I am confident that you are using the word of God as the basis for what you are writing and saying, and I congratulate you for your obvious steadfastness. May I encourage you to continue to speak the truth boldly while recognising that your detractors come as part of the territory. Their appearance is almost inevitable. ...Best regards......Colin 5. Michelle Bowie: Irritated by Chuck Missler. Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1851: Ten Tribes Studies . Shalom Yair, I don't know about you, and for certain cannot speak for others that hear this over and over, but it is quite apparent that either Chuck Missler does not READ his bible, or [THE ALMIGHTY] has not given him the Ruach [spirit] to discern. But scripture thank heavens, speaks for itself: Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Blessings, mb Brit-Am Reply: Chuck Missler is wrong concerning the Ten Tribes. We have answered all his claims some time ago in our on-site article: The Completeness of the Exile. Answers to Deniers of Brit-Am Biblical Truth. http://www.britam.org/CompleteExile.html It is a pity nobody brought this article to his attention before he wrote against the Ten Tribes. In his article Chuck Missler did however bring up some valid points. One of these points was that the term "Israel" could also be applied to Judah as well as being applicable to the Ten Tribes. 6. Andy Hoy: Sundry Remarks and Reservations. Brit-Am Replies. RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1850: Ten Tribes Studies . Yair, I have a few points based on your #1851 email update: a. Does it make sense to call your email article (i.e. email subject header) "10 Tribes Studies" when in fact you and your readers are discussing "12 Tribes" topics? Surely, we'd not want to give anyone the wrong impression and overlook the importance of Judah and the inclusion of Judah as part of 12-Israel. After all, the Jewish people saw great diaspora of their own, both WITH and WITHOUT maintaining their identity as the people of Judah, didn't they? That being said, I think that continuing to focus on a "10 tribes" term can be inviting conflict and even insult. I don't want to accuse you of anything in saying this, but I think that it can be divisive. People should think in terms of a united 12-Israel, shouldn't they? Isn't this what you hope for as an end to your studies? And isn't this what the Jewish people have been praying for 3x a day for hundreds or thousands of years? b. Mannaseh and Ephriam may have had an ABSOLUTE right to be called Israel, but this is not to say that they had an EXCLUSIVE right. As we know, from the beginning, before Jacob was in Egypt, Jacob became Israel. Judah was one of the 12 sons of Israel, and he will always be so. It's that simple. And as history progressed, Judah was disassociated with (northern) Israel as she seceded was ejected from the land about 7xx BC. From this oversimplified view of history, it is possible for self-professed Ephriamites to say that "Judah is not Israel" WITHOUT them being anti-Semetic (even if they happen to be wrong about various other details). c. Can you provide a link to the disputed article referenced below such that your readers can see the full context and decide for themselves? You may be right in that somebody may be pushing an "anti-Jewish agenda", but the lone excerpt that you provided in your 10 Tribes Studies update does not substantiate this claim in and of itself. You can argue against the technical merit of the quoted context, but to me there is nothing within the quotes to substantiate your claim of anti-Semitism. (2) To simply disagree upon matters of terminology (10 Israel/12 Israel / Judah / Jews / whatever) doesn't make someone anti-Semetic or anti-Jewish. To say that Judah is not Israel does not necessarily originate from hateful bigotry. Not everyone who offers a differing position hates you or your people or is looking to throw you in a pit, or to stoke up holocaust ovens. Proverbs says that open rebuke is better than hidden love. Leviticus says that we are not to hate our neighbors, but rebuke them in love (Lev 19). As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Remember that brothers are born for adversity. I hope you do not construe my counter points as anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish. Be encouraged. Your work is profound, unique, courageous, insightful, and important. Best regards, -Andy Brit-Am Replies: (a) Concentration on the Ten Tribes rather than all Twelve. Our STUDIES concentrate on the Ten Tribes and finding their identity and proving it and spreading awareness of it. Here and there we deal with Judah but that is not what we place our emphasis on. There are a LOT of organizations, e-mail lists, rabbis, and knowledgeable people who specialize in Jewish subjects. We are not competing with them. Nor are we dealing with the same subject matter. We do not teach Judaism. We do however teach the Bible from a Judah and Joseph perspective. (b) Why Not Reserve the Term Israel for only the Ten Tribes?? In some parts of Scripture the term Israel refers to the Ten Tribes as distinct from Judah. Elsewhere Israel encompasses both Judah and the Ten Tribes. Still further on (in Ezra and Ezekiel especially) the term Israel may apply in some contexts ONLY to Judah. Whatever terminology may technically be possible we need to get the facts straight. We also should avoid misunderstandings or attitudes that may lead to misunderstanding. Something may not have to be anti-Jewish but it is enough that it could be interpreted that way (and sometimes is) for us to avoid it. The Jews are vulnerable and justifiably sensitive. Why take chances? There are People out there who are liable to misunderstand us and there are others who will deliberately try to DELIBERATELY MISINTERPRET US! Why give them a chance to do so? (c) Request for Link and Proven Intention to Offend. No link is necessary. We know what we are doing. Even if it was not anti-Jewish (and I feel it was) it was definitely superfluous and liable to offend. That is enough. (d) We are Not all Brothers! Concerning the Need to take offence where it may (or may not) have been intended, It is enough that some types intend a certain usage as a means to denigrate the Jews, that these types want to kill Jews, and that they have proven their ability to do what they want when they are able for offence to be taken. You said: ## Proverbs says that open rebuke is better than hidden love. Leviticus says that we are not to hate our neighbors, but rebuke them in love (Lev 19). As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Remember that brothers are born for adversity. ## We reply: We are not all brothers. Amongst the Israelite Identity people are Edomites, Canaanites, Amalekites, and others. They are the enemies of both Judah and Joseph. We should not tolerate them. Some of them are Nazis or have a Nazi type ideology. They have committed hate crimes and blackened the name of all those who believe the Ten Tribes are in the west. They are OUR ENEMY!!! They contribute to prejudice against us!!! They are on the side of evil!!! We are not. You remarked: ## Your work is profound, unique, courageous, insightful, and important. ## On those last points we naturally feel more inclined to agree with you. God be with you Yair 7. Question About the Basques. Rabbi Yair, can you please tell me who the Basques of Spain are? Who did they descend from? My husband, Jose Gallegos, had his DNA done and all markers went to Spain. He was born in New Mexico 80 years ago. Last evening we watched a program on Idaho television showing a large community in the capital, Boise, of Basque people who migrated there. Of course, they are sheepherders. (Wonder where they learned that from? Could it be Israel?) Brit-Am Reply: The Basques on the whole are an ancient people of Spain possibly descended from Tubal son of Japhet. In the Basque area however and alongside the Basques once existed Lost Israelite communities. There were also Jews from Judah amongst the Basques. PS. I am not a Rabbi. One of my sons is. He had to study very hard for quite some time to earn the title and then pass rigorous examinations year after year. I studied other things. God bless you Yair |
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