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New Joseph
Forum no.12
Ephraimites, Two Houses, Joes, Ten Tribes Teachings
14 October 2009, 26 Tishrei 5769
Contents:
1.Rob from New Zealand:
An Alternate Calendar and the Otherness of Ephraim
Brit-Am Reply:
(a) The Brit-Am Involvement
(b) Anti-Jewish Contrariness
(c) Sanhedrin Wannabees
(d) Rabbinical Sources Employed by ALL
authorities.
(e) Returning to the Law and Malachi 4
(f) Representative of Ephraim?
(g) Zechariah (8:23), the Ten Men, and identity of the Jew
2. Tess from New Zealand
: The Way of Ephraim is Unique
3. The Hebrew Calendar and Biblical Sources
Biblical Sources on the
Calendar:
1.Rob from New Zealand:
An Alternate Calendar and the Otherness of Ephraim
From: Rob <r.moore@netsmart.net.nz>
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1391
#8. What Was the Sin of King Jeroboam?
http://www.britam.org/now/1391Now.html#What
Yair , I refer to your comment :
Certain Ephraimites today are guilty of the same offences by searching for alternate dates for the
festivals other than those given by the Hebrew Calendar ...
Are you referring perhaps to those of us Ephraimites who have been following the
written Word of Moses, to calculate the calendar by the sighting of the new moon
in Israel? If so, as one of those Ephraimites who has been observing this for
some 5 years now, we have come to realize how inaccurate the Rabbinical calendar
is, being up to one full month out in some years.
Interestingly, the inaccuracy of the Rabbinical Calendar is now being recognized
by Judah himself now as being in a serious state of drift, and Judah is now
acknowledging that the "hebrew" calendar is up to one month out at times. That
this is now being recognized by Judah and that a return to Moses instructions to
calculate the calendar according to the sighting of the new moons is becoming a
pressing issue is a very significant development in my understanding.
For reference please see these two recent Internet articles:
(1. Rabbinical Sanhedrin declares the
sighting of the moon to identify the
biblical calendar is correct and
Hillel's Calendar is increasingly
becoming
inaccurate
http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/
Committee_concerning_the_fixing_of_the_Calendar
It
should be noted that the mathematical calendar of Hillel II has been in use since the year 4119 (359 CE), and it has functioned for
approximately 1600 years without difficultly. However, in recent years, a
situation has been created where more and more frequently the onset of spring
does not coincide with calendar currently in use. This means that the calendar
is beginning to drift noticeably. Albeit, the rate of drift is very slow, much
slower than other lunar calendars (such as the Islamic calendar). However, if
continued unchecked, we will be celebrating Pesach in the summer, rather than
the spring. Our current calendar will exceed halachically acceptable limits and we will be celebrating Biblically commanded holidays at
times other than when Scripture requires them to be celebrated. One could argue
that if a change is necessary in any event, it would be most correct according
to Biblical and Jewish Law to once again use the system of witnesses. But it is
certain that we will not longer be permitted to use the mathematical calendar of
II in the near future.
(2. The Seasonal Drift of the
Traditional (Fixed Arithmetic)
Rabbinnical
Hebrew Calendar has accumulated to a highly significant degree.
http://individual.utoronto.ca/kalendis/hebrew/drift.htm
For the following reasons, it would be preferable to correct the Hebrew calendar
seasonal drift as soon as possible:
The
seasonal drift has accumulated to a highly significant degree:
currently in every 8th, 19th, and 11th year of the traditional 19-year cycle,
and soon also every 3rd year of the cycle, Passover is more than a month after
the spring equinox, Purim is celebrated on the day before the day that "should
have been" Passover, and the traditional Hebrew calendar continues to run "one
month late" until the following spring season.
To
allow new grain crops to be eaten one month earlier in those years in which
otherwise the 16th of Nisan would fall more than a month after the spring
equinox (applies to the years just mentioned). Note that this continues to apply
in the present era even though the omer sacrifice is not offered in the absence of the Temple, as orthodox Jews refrain
from consuming products made from new grain crops until the 16th of Nisan.
When
Passover is more than a month after the spring equinox then also the following
Sukkot (Feast of Booths) is a month later and, in the northern hemisphere, is colder
and wetter than it would otherwise be (years 9, 1, 12, and soon also year 4 of
the 19-year cycle, the above mentioned year numbers having been incremented at
Rosh HaShanah, which makes dwelling in the traditional sukkah uncomfortable or impractical, notwithstanding the belief by many that time spent
in the is "not supposed to be comfortable".
In
the past the amount of equinox drift and the solution to the problem was unknown
or uncertain, so it could not be confidently corrected, but today, due to an
excellent understanding of the astronomy of the Earth, Moon, and Sun, we do
accurately know how much drift has accumulated, and the solution for correcting
it and preventing further drift is simple and straightforward.
Consequently, rather than looking down on Ephraim's concern to be obedient to a
calendar that is clearly written in Moses instructions, rather than the
traditional Hebrew (Rabbinical) calendar, which is now being openly discussed
even by the leadership of Judah himself, as increasingly inaccurate because of
the "drift" which is becoming readily seen by the fact that Passover on the
"Hebrew" calendar as on the dates of the other biblical festivals of
Leviticus 23 in some years is up to one month out, I think you need to give
Ephraim some credit. Perhaps Judah could begin to consider that Ephraim's
repentant return to via the Words of Moses, rather than traditions of "the
Fathers" as is prophesied by Jeremiah 16:19 is something very significant
that our Heavenly Father Himself is doing in renewing His relationship with
Ephraim. Perhaps Ephraim's strong wake up call to return to the Words of Moses
may even have significance for the redemption of Judah in the last days, for it
was Joseph who redeemed the 12 houses of Jacob (Genesis 45), not Judah.
What I can say is, I have awoken to my identity as Ephraim, this is a deep
spiritual wake up call and is not dependant on how Judah would care to define
the way I should go, but how the Heavenly Father is calling me and that is to
hear and obey His Word as it is written by Moses, it is a biblical return and
not a return to religion of traditions of Judah in fact if Ephraim were to
return to the traditions of Judah He would no longer be identifiable as Ephraim,
but would become Judah, and Judah in so many ways clearly expresses that he does
not want this to happen for fear of loss of his own House, but that rather
Ephraim stays "outside the gate" and keeps another set of customs?
Whether Judah can accept it or not, Ephraim's repentant return is well under way
and he is doing so by coming out of religion(s) through a strong call into
obedient relationship with the Almighty heavenly Father. Over the past 2
decades, this experience has urged Ephraim across the world to begin to study
Moses and the Prophets very seriously and in greater detail than Judah may
consider.
I am extremely grateful for the monthly reports I receive from those of Judah
who are currently resident in Israel concerning the monthly new moon sightings,
enabling me to identify the Mosaic measure of the beginnings of the biblical
months and the calculations of the festival worship days. Thus I have not been
dependant of the traditional "Hebrew" calendar and have been aware of the
variances between the moon-month calculations and the "hebrew" calendar for some
time. I decided many years ago to place my faith in the words of Moses and not
the "hebrew" calendar and have been blessed to observe the festival dates of
Leviticus 23 in their due seasons and date.
That Judah is now recognising this need which I have been practicing for more
than 5 years now vindicates my decision which I made in faith of what is written
in the Law of Moses and it also demonstrates the authority of what is written in
the Law of Moses over the understanding and practices of
men.
To conclude, as I perceive it, in the last days in fact BOTH houses are being
called to repent back to hear the Law Of Moses (Malachi 4) why would this call
be made to BOTH Houses if BOTH houses are not in need to hear this commandment?
The fact that Judah himself is now recognising the sighting of the new moon
(Moses instructions as opposed to the academic calculations of the traditional
"Hebrew" calendar) is significant for the future practice of the authentic
biblical calendar demonstrates the point I am trying to make.
So perhaps Ephraim's spiritual return could be given more credence and
significance than Judah currently will recognise Ephraim is being woken up
by the Almighty, and it is the Almighty that he (Ephraim) hungers andthirsts
for. Ephraim in waking to his identity, whilst he is also restored in his love
for his brother Judah, is not Judah nor desires Judah's customary expressions of
faith or identity.
Ephraim's return is in the Heavenly Father's purposes, and he (Ephraim) is being
restored back to his own identity and his own inheritance, and the prophets
foretell that he will be urgent and zealous in his return to
biblical righteousness and not religion of customs. Often I hear some teachers
of Judah referring to Ephraim's return in terms of Zecharia 8:23, stating that
Ephraim will take hold of Judah in the last days and ask the way. However, if
one reads the text carefully, it does not state that the 10 men will take
physical hold of Judah himself, but that he will tack hold
of the Tassles of Judah's garment, which we know full well represent the Law of
Moses in the covenant. The fact that many Ephraimites have been observing
the sighting of the moon as the markers of the biblical months for the
calculations of the festival days of worship is a clear evidence of Zecharia
8:23 being fulfilled today. Therefore Judah needs to have more assurance in the
fact that this is what is prophesied will happen and is what is in fact is
happening if he can only begin to see it. The reason he cannot see it is he is
using his own worldview to measure it by, rather than what Moses said.
That being said, we continue to walk together, as brothers in the faith of the
Almighty and His purposes for the whole House of Jacob.
Blessings
Rob
New Zealand
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Brit-Am Reply:
(a) The Brit-Am Involvement
The adoption of an Alternate Calendar is not something special to any
breakaway minority of Ephraimites.
It has been a characteristic of Christian and other sects from the very
beginning.
This subject should not really involve us.
We intend to concentrate on the subject of the Lost Ten Tribes and proving who
and where their descendants are.
We see the Return to Hebrew Roots of many Christians in our time to be
symptomatic of the instinctual arousal amongst descendants of Lost Israelites in
our time towards acknowledgement of their ancestry.
We do not really care what Calendar you keep.
To state however that you keeping the "written Word of Moses" as against the
Rabbinical Interpretation of Judaism is grossly misleading as shown below (item
no.3).
See Reply to the Calendar Question in Item 3 below.
One of our principles is to work for a reconciliation between Judah and the Ten
Tribes.
Here and there this involves us in other matters when we get the feeling that
rather than reconciliation an attempt to make an additional distancing is
involved.
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(b) Anti-Jewish Contrariness
Christianity introduced Replacement Theology claiming that the Christians had
replaced the Israelites (i.e. in their terms the Jews) as the Chosen People.
Along came various Identity Movements and hijacked belief in the Lost Ten tribes
to say that they were the true racial Israelites whereas the Jews were of a
different descent and impostors.
Most Ephraimites are not contaminated by such notions but some are.
Some of the attempts to re-interpret the Bible in a different way to that of the
Jews seem to me to be illogical and smack of a wish not to be associated with
the Jews.
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(c) Sanhedrin Wannabees
http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/
Committee_concerning_the_fixing_of_the_Calendar
You quoted from the so-called Sanhedrin site.
The Sanhedrin does not exist.
The original Sanhedrin derived from the Seventy Elders appointed by Moses.
This organization continued to exist until due to Roman persecution its members
were dispersed in the Jewish Diaspora.
The inheritors of the original Sanhedrin today are the Orthodox Rabbis as a
whole who through Divine Guidance manage to reach a general consensus as to how
the Torah Law should be applied.
The present group that now calls its self "Sanhedrin" comprise a handful of self-appointed eccentrics
not recognized by anybody else.
When this organization was first set up we were encouraging.
http://britam.org/now/566Now.html
[Numbers 11:16] AND THE LORD SAID UNTO
MOSES, GATHER UNTO ME SEVENTY MEN OF
THEELDERS
OF ISRAEL, WHOM THOU KNOWEST
TO BE THE ELDERS OF THE PEOPLE, AND OFFICERS OVER THEM; AND BRING THEM UNTO THE
TABERNACLE OF THE CONGREGATION, THAT THEY MAY STAND THERE WITH THEE.
[Numbers 11:17] AND I WILL COME DOWN AND
TALK WITH THEE THERE: AND I WILL TAKE OF THE SPIRIT WHICH IS UPON THEE, AND WILL
PUT IT UPON THEM; AND THEY SHALL BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE PEOPLE WITH THEE, THAT
THOU BEAR IT NOT THYSELF ALONE.
These seventy elders comprised the first
Sanhedrin which continued in each generation (Deuteronomy 17) and was a kind of
combination of the Supreme Court and the Senate or Upper House in Legislature.
The Sanhedrin in History was a body of seventy chosen sages who decided all
matters of religious legal controversy and behavior.
Due to Roman persecution the Sanhedrin was driven out of existence.
Ever since then Jewish Religious Law and practice has more or less developed
through working out a kind of consensus amongst all the leading authorities in
each generation. This has actually worked (in itself a miracle) but leaves much
to be desired.
A re-newed
Sanhedrin could be necessary to rebuild the Temple, and possibly also recognize
the Lost Ten Tribes for who they are and take steps to effect a reconciliation
with them.
The new institution that calls itself
the Sanhedrin has no legal status at present and has not yet been accepted (as
far as I know) by anybody of standing in Israel nor by the general public.
Attempts were made in the past to re-establish the Sanhedrin but because not
enough Sages supported such a move there was no continuation. This does not mean
that the attempt itself is not important and potentially it could have great
significance in the near future.
I do not think the new Sanhedrin [Supreme Council of Rabbinical Sages] as it now
exists will achieve the degree of recognition it would need to be able to do
anything but it could serve as the skeleton body for something much better that
may come after it.
The Sanhedrin should perhaps be requested to set up a Committee to examine a
committee to impartially examine the evidence as to the present -day whereabouts
of the Lost Ten Tribes.
The organization that was set up FAILED to receive recognition of the Jewish
Public and of nearly all Jewish Rabbis.
Most of its early members left it and today only a few remain.
[If such is not the case send them this letter and see if they reply.]
The anonymous face behind announcements made in its name have no authority
whatsoever.
So far they have made a mark by calling (or rather their titular head called) President Bush the Head of Gog (i.e. implying that the USA is Gog son Joaphet)
and running after Arab Beduin with claims that they have Israelite ancestry.
Together with all of the above and in sense despite it we suggest you read
though ALL of the article in question:
Committee concerning the fixing of the
Calendar
http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/
Committee_concerning_the_fixing_of_the_Calendar
Extracts:
From The Sanhedrin - en
##A special court has been established to accept evidence concerning the
sighting of the New Moon, as required by Jewish Law. ...The purpose of the court
is to increase awareness, develop skills, and resolve halachic issues that arise when determining the Jewish Calendar according to testimony by
witnesses. At this point there is no intention to supercede the mathematical
calendar currently in use and fix the calendar on the basis of the testimony,
such a step should be unacceptable to the public and spiritual leadership.
##There is a requirement from the Torah (deOraisa) that Pesach come out two
weeks after the first new moon of spring. The first day of spring according to
the Solar Calendar is always March 21. The Jewish Calendar has a discrepancy of
about one day every century. This means that by the year 6000, Pesach will come
out two news moons (Sivan) after the first day of spring. The Natziv was one of
the first poskim [legal authorities] to bring up this question about a hundred
and fifty years ago. Some poskim replied that Mashiach would come by the year
6000, so there was nothing to worry about. Others said this would become an
halachic question that will eventually require the re-establishment of the
Sanhedrin to universally authorize a change in the calendar.
Read the above carefully:
The Sanhedrin Wannabees by their own admission are only practising. They are
carrying out a dry run.
It is also implied that up unto the year 6000 no serious problem with the
present system should arise.
It is now the year 5769.
We have another 231 years.
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(d) Rabbinical Sources Employed by ALL
authorities.
As to the second article you quoted from:
http://individual.utoronto.ca/kalendis/hebrew/drift.htm
The substance of this article may or may not be referred to by us at a later
date.
Please note however that this article quotes as authoritative sources The
Talmud, and Rabbinical Commentators such as Rashi and Maimonides.
There is no attempt to do away with these sources.
On the contrary, the author advocates what he sees as a stricter adherence to
their opinion.
See item no. 3 below.
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(e) Returning to the Law and Malachi 4
This is what Malachi 4 says (together with the Brit-Am Commentary):
http://britam.org/malachi.html
[Malachi 4:4] REMEMBER YE THE LAW OF
MOSES MY SERVANT, WHICH I COMMANDED UNTO HIM IN
HOREB
FOR ALL ISRAEL, WITH THE STATUTES AND JUDGMENTS.
The Lost Ten Tribes will have to return
and accept anew the Law of Moses and Israel. This is also mentioned in Jerusalem
Talmud and Zohar.
[Malachi 4:5] BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU
ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE
LORD:
[Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE
HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR
FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.
Darrel
Conder
(of Commonwealth Publishing) once suggested that this refers to the Lost Ten
Tribes returning and identifying their fathers from the Tribes of Israel.
You implied that these verses entailed some kind of criticism of Judah.
I fail to see this.
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(f) Representative of Ephraim?
Your letter in some parts expresses itself in the name of Ephraim (meaning the
Lost Ten Tribes) as a whole but this is not exactly so.
Despite its "Jewish" characteristics Brit-Am represents Ephraim at least as much
as any other body.
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(g) Zechariah (8:23), the Ten Men, and
identity of the Jew
[Zechariah 8:23] THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; IN THOSE DAYS IT SHALL COME TO
PASS, THAT TEN MEN SHALL TAKE HOLD OUT OF ALL LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS, EVEN
SHALL TAKE HOLD OF THE SKIRT OF HIM THAT IS A JEW, SAYING, WE WILL GO WITH YOU:
FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT GOD IS WITH YOU.
See our Commentary to this verse.
http://britam.org/zechariah.html
You said:
Often I hear some teachers of Judah referring to Ephraim's return
in terms of
Zecharia
8:23, stating that Ephraim will take hold of Judah in the last days and ask the
way. However, if one reads the text carefully, it does not state that the 10
men will take physical hold of Judah himself, but that he will tack hold of the
Tassles
of Judah's garment, which we know full well represent the Law
of Moses in the covenant.
Our commentary
http://britam.org/zechariah.html
proves from the Bible [Zechariah 8:19] that the Jew in question
means the Jewish people as Keeper of the Jewish Law and observers of Jewish Fast
Days fixed according to the Hebrew Calendar of the Jewish People.
You referred to:
[Jeremiah 16:19] O LORD, MY
STRENGTH, AND MY FORTRESS, AND MY REFUGE IN THE DAY OF AFFLICTION, THE GENTILES
SHALL COME UNTO THEE FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND SHALL SAY, SURELY OUR
FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, VANITY, AND THINGS WHEREIN THERE IS NO PROFIT.
You also said:
#Perhaps Ephraim's strong wake up call to return to the Words of Moses may even
have significance for the redemption of Judah in the last days, for it was
Joseph who redeemed the 12 houses of Jacob (Genesis 45), not Judah. #
Anything could happen but we prefer to rely on Biblical Prophesy and Scriptural
Indication rather than fanciful conjecture.
[Jeremiah 3:18] IN THOSE DAYS THE HOUSE OF JUDAH SHALL WALK WITH [Hebrew: "Go
Unto"] THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND THEY SHALL COME TOGETHER OUT OF THE LAND OF THE
NORTH TO THE LAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN FOR AN INHERITANCE UNTO YOUR FATHERS.
See the Brit-Am Commentary:
http://www.britam.org/Jeremiah1to5.html
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2.
Tess
from New Zealand: The Way of Ephraim is Unique
Subject: Timing of the moedim
re
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1391
#8. What Was the Sin of King Jeroboam?
http://www.britam.org/now/1391Now.html#What
Shalom Yair
Brit Am 1391 - You said "Certain Ephraimites today are guilty of the same
offences by searching for alternate dates for the festivals other than those
given by the Hebrew Calendar and by perversely looking for non-Biblical
explanations concerning the commandments."
It is true that some Ephraimites use different dates for the Biblical festivals
from those given in Jewish calendars but it is not true to infer that these
people are guilty of the same offences that Jereboam committed. He deliberately
flouted the mandated moedim listed in Leviticus 23 for his own political
purposes. Today's Ephraimites are not politically motivated.
It is also not true that these people are being Biblically perverse concerning
the commandments. On the contrary, today's Ephraimites recognise the only
authoritative source of the timing of festivals is found in the Torah. That the
Torah timing differs from the modern Jewish calendar is a difficulty to Ephraim
- he is trying to stay aligned with the method of counting of days found in the
written Torah precisely because Jereboam departed from it. Ephraim lost his
identity for these reasons and, now that he is starting to remember who he is,
he is less inclined to stray from the written word on the matter. He does not
want to return to spiritual darkness.
This is not a criticism of Judah, merely a statement that Ephraim's way back to
the Father is unique to him and not through rabbinical Judaism. There may well
be many points of observable difference between Judah and Ephraim until Mossiach
unites them himself. I think it is very important that we do not criticise these
differences as we journey together. If we commit to the understanding that Jews
are Jews and Joes are Joes, we can honour each other rather than trying to
change each other. We are not yet one united people and we should not force that
outcome from our own understanding. Is this not the meaning inherent in Ezekiel
37?
Blessings - Tessa
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Brit-Am
Reply:
Shalom,
Jeroboam introduced the worship of golden bull calves (representative a separate
Ephraimite identity) and changed the date of the Keeping of Succot because he
was afraid that the Ten Tribes would return and wish to re-unite with Judah.
[1-Kings 12:26] AND JEROBOAM SAID IN HIS HEART, NOW SHALL THE KINGDOM RETURN TO
THE HOUSE OF DAVID:
[1-Kings 12:27] IF THIS PEOPLE GO UP TO DO SACRIFICE IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD
AT JERUSALEM, THEN SHALL THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE TURN AGAIN UNTO THEIR LORD,
EVEN UNTO REHOBOAM KING OF JUDAH, AND THEY SHALL KILL ME, AND GO AGAIN TO
REHOBOAM KING OF JUDAH.
[1-Kings 12:28] WHEREUPON THE KING TOOK COUNSEL, AND MADE TWO CALVES OF GOLD,
AND SAID UNTO THEM, IT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO GO UP TO JERUSALEM: BEHOLD THY
GODS, O ISRAEL, WHICH BROUGHT THEE UP OUT OF THE LAND OF
EGYPT.
[1-Kings 12:32] AND JEROBOAM ORDAINED A FEAST IN THE EIGHTH MONTH, ON THE
FIFTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, LIKE UNTO THE FEAST THAT IS IN JUDAH, AND HE OFFERED
UPON THE ALTAR. SO DID HE IN BETHEL, SACRIFICING UNTO THE CALVES THAT HE HAD
MADE: AND HE PLACED IN BETHEL THE PRIESTS OF THE HIGH PLACES WHICH HE HAD
MADE.
Sometimes I suspect that the contrary position of some Ephraimite religious
leaders against Judah may have a similar motivation as that of Jeroboam.
Are they afraid of their followers drawing too close to Judaism?
[Is there not a reference
to the seat of Moses and Pharisaic authority in some issues in their own
sources? We see that when it comes to drawing close to Judah or not some of them
are prepared to deny their own Messiah.]
As for the rest of your letter see item 3 below.
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3. The Hebrew Calendar and Biblical
Sources
Concerning the Hebrew Calendar and attempts to replace it we may write a
separate article in the near future.
For the moment suffice to say,
The Bible says almost nothing about the CALENDAR.
It takes it for granted. If we were to rely entirely on Biblical passages we
would not know anything.
If you think otherwise please prove your point.
What we do know (and what anybody else knows) is derived almost entirely from
the Talmud and Rabbinical Sources.
The Talmud describes how the Sages in Biblical Times would determine the
Calendar.
The Talmud also explains why and how the practice of Biblical Times (that the
Talmud describes) was discontinued.
They who want to reform or return to what they consider the Biblical Calendar to
have been rely on what the Talmud says concerning the determination of the
Calendar in Biblical Times.
They merely claim that either:
(a) a change should not have been made.
OR
(b) If historically there may have been a justification for changes being made
in the past the situation has changed and present circumstances warrant
returning to the practice of Biblical Times.
Now both options (a) and (b) may well be debatable but in either case it should
also be admitted as to what is being debated, i.e. The account of the Talmud is
being accepted as far as the Biblical Practice is concerned but the Talmudic
explanation is being rejected as to changes later made in that practice.
They are not considering a return to the Biblical practice as described in the
Bible but rather a return to the practice in Biblical Times as described by the
Talmud.
If they claim otherwise please show us where in the Bible determining the
calendar is described.
[The Talmud does give descriptions and justifies its description from Biblical
Passages but without the Talmud one would not know what these passages refer
to.]
They who advocate such changes cannot really claim to be preferring the Bible
over the Talmud but rather an earlier Talmudic practice over another one that
was introduced later.
They refer to the Talmud but deny Talmudic Authority placing themselves in a
higher position.
Concerning the Talmud and Rabbinical authority and the Calendar:
The Bible taken literally says that the determination of the months etc is given
over to the seventy elders appointed by Moses All disputes on such matter were
to be taken before these elders or whatsoever Rabbinical authority should exist
at the time (Deuteronomy ch.17).
Attempts to deny Rabbinical authority in effect deny the literal truth of the
Bible.
We object to this in itself and we also protest attempts to present this reality
as being other than it is.
If you disagree with any of the above please let us know since we will be
preparing an article on the subject and would appreciate your feedback in
advance.
Biblical
Sources on the Calendar:
Exodus 12: 2 'This month shall be unto you the beginning of months; it shall be
the first month of the year to you.
First month: Which Month?
Exodus 23: 16 and the feast of harvest, the first-fruits of thy labours, which
thou sowest in the field; and the feast of ingathering, at the end of the year,
when thou gatherest in thy labours out of the field.
Last Month: Which Month?
Numbers 10:10 and 28:11
"... in your new moons, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your
burnt-offerings,"
How does one determine what
is a new moon?
What happens when
atmospheric or astronomical phenomenon are liable to lead to mistaken testimony?
Or in case of clouds no
testimony at all?
Who decides?
[Deuteronomy 16:1] OBSERVE THE MONTH OF ABIB, AND KEEP THE PASSOVER UNTO THE
LORD THY GOD: FOR IN THE MONTH OF ABIB THE LORD THY GOD BROUGHT THEE FORTH OUT
OF EGYPT BY NIGHT.
Rashi says:
Before it [the month] arrives observe
that it should be fitting for [the first month of] Spring to offer up on it the
Omer Offering. If [it looks like being] not so suitable add an extra month [i.e.
make it a leap year].
The Omer Offerings was the first of the
barley harvest.
If one rejects the Talmud then why rely on Rashi?
Why not say that Aviv means something else?
Why pick and choose?
In these days of climatic change what happens if the barley harvest
starts to come later, or earlier?
All other sources are explained by the Talmud and the Talmud (or related
Rabbinical sources) are the only explanations we have.
The Biblical Verses without Rabbinical Explanation tell us very
little.
Why not admit it?
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