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NJF-14
New Joseph
Forum no.14
Ephraimites, Two Houses, Joes, Ten Tribes Teachings
31 December 2009, 15 Tevet 5769
Contents:
1. Answer to Nathan Barratt:
Ephraimites,
Brit-Am, and the Law of Moses
2. Descendant of Joseph Wishes to Move to Israel with his Wife
3. Kevin Opp:
Blessings and Cursings
from the Bible
White People Do Not Get it but I Do!
4. Margie: John Darby was Mislead and Misleading!
5. MT: Not All of US Are White Men!
1. Answer to Nathan
Barratt:
Ephraimites,
Brit-Am, and the Law of Moses
Question:
re Brit-Am Now no. 1427
#1. Brit-Am, Ephraimites, the Temple, the State of Israel, and the Law of Moses
http://www.britam.org/now2/1427Now.html#Brit
Nathan Barratt wrote:
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Re: The law of Moses....
So basically - correct me if I'm wrong - you're saying that the
Ephraimites
(who know who they are), until the rebuilding of the temple, must keep the law
of Moses and the interpretations given by the Talmud as we are able, in the
knowledge that we're doing all we can, and in the hope that one day there will
be a place where we can worship? Sort of like...to keep ourselves pure so as
to entreat God to have mercy?
But then again, surely a tabernacle can be set up somewhere. Does anyone know
where the ark of the covenant is? Or are synagogues, which don't hold the ark
of the covenant, substitutes for the tabernacle?
Thanks very much for your answers,
Nathan.
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Brit-Am Reply:
I do not say how you drew such conclusions from the answers we sent you.
Brit-Am says that
Ephraimites
should indeed know who they are and spread this knowledge to others. If they
cannot do anything themselves then they should at the least support
organizations such as our own (and especially our own, i.e. Brit-Am, the Lost
Ten Tribes Movement) and this in our generation is possibly the main point.
That is what we do and what we consider ourselves an authority about.
Brit-Am, the Lost Ten Tribes Movement, is concerned with the Lost Ten Tribes.
We also work to heighten Biblical awareness in general.
We do not consider ourselves qualified or able to tell individuals how they
should act on a day to day basis.
Non-Jews DO NOT HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES as far as we know. At least not in
this generation. What will happen in the future we may all safely leave aside
for the moment. The Talmud has nothing, or at least very little, to do with
non-Jews whether Ephraimites or not.
On the other hand, in my opinion, if someone really wanted to know what the Law
of Moses says they would have to take into consideration the Jewish traditional
interpretation.
Also in our personal opinion Ephraimites (who know who they are) should begin to
find their way closer.
How they do that is their own business and we really should not be involved.
Brit-Am, the Lost Ten Tribes Movement, should not be considered a religion but
rather a belief system concerning the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel in the Bible,
history, and the contemporary scene.
You suggested that we were telling Ephraimites to:
## keep ourselves pure so as to entreat God to have mercy? ##
Well that may not be a bad idea but did we really say that?
Anyway, the Almighty shows a pathway to they who search for one.
We ourselves are attempting to undergo a more intensive search of the Bible for
the sake of Brit-Am and ourselves.
The Bible has the answers.
A real tabernacle cannot be set up. The Temple replaced the Tabernacle for all
time. Remains of the original tabernacle are probably now buried under the
Temple Mount. The Ark of the Covenant may also be there, or in Ethiopia, or in
Ireland, or France. It all depends on the last book on the subject to attract
our attention.
Synagogues existed in Temple Times alongside the Temple. They are not a
substitute but an ancillary or supplementary element.
2. Descendant of Joseph Wishes to Move
to Israel with his Wife
S wrote:
Dear Yair, My wife and I believe we are of Joseph. We want to
move to Israel and work to stand with and support Israel. Where should we
start? Our children are grown and we wish to throw our lot in with Israel?
Respects and Shallom, Your Brother , Stan
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Brit-Am Reply:
S Shalom,
I assume you are not Jewish since you mention being of Joseph.
In general the State of Israel does not encourage non-Jews to move permanently
to Israel except in exceptional
cases.
Brit-Am does not decide and has no influence in these matters.
If you are in doubt contact an Israeli official near your place of residence.
This is the reality.
If a section of the Ten Tribes were to set up there own colony somewhere else in
the Middle East especially in one of the Israelite areas (e.g. Iraq, Syria,
Lebanon, Jordan, Cyprus) then things might be different and it could help all of
us.
God bless you
Yair
3. Kevin
Opp:
Blessings and Cursings
from the Bible
White People Do Not Get it but I Do!
From: Kevin
Opp
<kevinopp01@hotmail.com>
RE: Jerusalem News 892.
http://britam.org/jerusalem2/jerusalem892.html#White
In reference to: 3. White People STILL Do Not Get it!
Re Jerusalem News 891
#3. White People Do Not Get it.
Well I get it, it makes perfect sense. It had nothing to do with Christianity,
but adherence unto even the slight amounts of biblical law that they did. That
was what the founding of America was all about, to oppose the bondage of
Catholic or Anglican Canonary Law, and make an attempt to create a society that
was more scripturally correct. Was it perfect, no, but it was apparently
sufficient to set this nation above the rest of the world. Just read the
writings of John Adams or Thomas Jefferson and ask if it could be coincidence
that men such as these happened to have founded what would become the most
powerful and rich nation on earth? Many of our early laws came from the Torah
even, such as if someone fell on your porch stairs and broke their leg because
you didn't shovel your snow, you were accountable, that was derived from the law
in the Torah stating that if you dug a pit and did not mark it, or cover it, you
were accountable, and there are numerous examples like this. Also look at
America being of a sole supporter of Israel over the years, the bible says God
will bless those that bless you. America, in making Israel capable of standing
in times of certain defeat since 1948, has certainly caused blessings to come
upon this nation, but solely due to scriptural compliance.
America is now at a state where that is all waning, as is all of Western Europe
to even greater degrees. America is also beginning to loosen its ties with
Israel, take God and his rules off of everything, experimenting with genetics
and euthanasia (which is where Hitler started), and hence our society is now
declining morally, economically, politically and in every way, shape and form
beyond that.
Just look at everything in US news today, we cannot go a day or two without
hearing about a child killing other children, mothers killing children, fathers
killing whole families, etc. These were extremely rare cases only 20 years ago,
now they are everyday events. In the bible God makes it clear that the blood
spilled on the land cries out to him and must be recompensed. Therefore our
lack of Scripturality, and move away from God over the years has led to a
dramatic decline in morality, which has led to murders within families becoming
everyday run in the mill stories. Therefore, America is begging to see the
visitation of God in our waning global dominance in this generation, and one can
only assume it will continue to spiral downward the more Godless leaders we put
into power, and the more we continue down this route. A return to compliance to
the scriptures nationally would change things, but seems unlikely. When Abraham
Lincoln was losing the war to the South he assumed they must have been in sin,
therefore he called a fast and repentance to the entire North, afterwards the
North began to win every battle. Abraham Lincoln got it.
So white people do not currently get it, and Christians today in America still
do not get it, because we are historically retarded. I have tried relentlessly
to explain to Christian relatives that having a man like Barak Obama in office
can only lead to the further decline of this country due to his morality and
where he wants to take this country, and that cannot be blessed by God
whatsoever, because it is a further move from God from where this nation once
stood. White people in America today do not believe that there is any connection
between any of this and where our nation walks, they simply believe that the
smartest man could do the best no matter how wrong he is morally, and that our
place scripturally has nothing to do with the success of this nation. The only
explanation this is the lack of knowledge taught in our churches and schools,
which gets worse every decade.
One thing I love about the Jew is that they understand that there are blessings
and cursings involved with your compliance and non compliances to the
scriptures, it is very clear. This is something that modern Christianty must
come to grips with. Almost every reform movement in Christianty had to do with
this realization, and an attempt to live it within that movement. And then it
is seemingly forgotten by the next generation.
Sincerely,
Kevin Opp
4. Margie: John Darby was Mislead and
Misleading!
Re Brit-Am Now no. 1429
http://www.britam.org/now2/1429Now.html
#5. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism, and John Nelson Darby no.1
#6. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism, and John Nelson Darby no.2
Shalom Yair,
Many years ago I did some research on John Darby. Darby is known as the "father
of dispensation". It appears Wickipedia has revised their article; it once
noted that during a time after a riding accident, Darby was studying Isaiah, and
he noted that the kingdom" of God as seen in Isaiah did not mesh with what he
saw as the kingdom (i.e. "church") on earth. Unable to reconcile the
differences, he invented the dispensation theory, which basically says that God
works differently/or changes from one age to the next. This theory led to the
development of the "pre-trib rapture" (a teaching less than 200 years old). I
think this is one of the most "anti-Semitic" teachings in Christianity.
Basically it says that in the last days when great tribulation comes upon the
earth, the Christian Church gets vanished away, but Israel is left behind to
endure all the troubles. I don't think Darby did anyone any favors, and as a
result of his theorizing, we have all kinds of "mixtures" of doctrines ("Babel")
that are not Scriptural, such as the "dispensation and replacement theology".
The Bible says that God does not change, and all of His word is truth. It was
true the day He spoke it and will be true throughout eternity; this is simply
the nature of truth, which cannot die or change (Psalm 119:160). Once more, the
kingdom of God from beginning to end is Israel, and all who believe must be
grafted into that tree (i.e. Israel; reference Romans 11:24 and Jeremiah
11:16a). Our Heavenly Father is calling His covenant people to stand as
faithful witnesses upon the earth throughout all times--especially in times of
tribulation--to give righteous testimony to His true nature, that He is an
Elohim of Law (Torah) and grace (mercy), and He keeps His word! This is the
picture of the Ark of the Covenant, which held all the words of the Testimony,
but you had to go through the "mercy seat" to reach the contents. This is the
unchanging testimony to His whole being throughout all the ages. This reminds me
of recent, wonderful insights by Avigdor (brit-am 1434), re the "coming day of
the Almighty" and the condition of churches in America. This is what happens
when you have "grace only" theology. It erodes the "fear of the Almighty" and
eventually leads to everyone doing what is "good in his own sight".
Here is a short, good article on Darby's systematic teachings:
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9807/980702_g.html
blessings,
Margie
5. MT: Not All of US Are White Men!
Re: Jerusalem News 892.
#3. White People STILL Do Not Get it!
http://britam.org/jerusalem2/jerusalem892.html#White
Shalom Yair,
You are making a very gross assumption that I am white. I guess you've not seen
the movie "A Patch of Blue"?
See our sister feature:
Telling it as it is.
Discussion of Ephraimite Questions in a Brit-Am Context
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