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Feb 10, 2008

Let the record be clear:

MbY replies to Yair Davidy email

NOTE: Only recently have the mourning periods ended for MbY's late father, Dell Griffin Sr., z"l, the late Rabbi Abe Raich, z"l, and his best friend, the late Sioux medicine shaman, "Buffaloman John Wilson." He would prefer to spend his energy in other ways, but during these periods of mourning, MbY said the Spirit has repeatedly borne witness of "unreconciled enmity and vexation" between the Juda'ite Yair Davidy and Josephite MbY."

For Brit-Am Reply see Juda'ite Yair Davidy Below.

I would like to challenge Yair to rethink one point of his otherwise brilliant etymological trek of the tribes of Israel. If he will do so, the facts are in line, the case set and the stage is ready for the Return of the House of Joseph.

The Return, or at least its announcement, is timed at the 11th hour to test the resolve of Americans who have backed presidencies and foreign policies so ignorant of Torah and the Prophets as to take the Birthright of Jacob and give it to Esau.

Yair, the Rambam's definition of the Rov (majority) being taken from a settled population means the coastal regions of every nation represents that nation.
For Brit-Am Reply see Inundation Below.
As the long foretold inundations are about to commence, these coastlands are shaping up to be a refugee population.

Yair, it is an etymological certainty that the Cimmerians were the root stock into which Hashem grafted all nations. The etymological origin of the Cimmerians was the Beit 'Omri, as your colleague and mentor Yohanan Hevroni ben David (John Hully) concluded when you were his research director and you both worked for Rabbi Eliyahu Avichai'il. Remember, when John presented evidence of the Sanbatyon being the Bosporus? What a lot of people don't know is that part of John's research came from a story in the New Testament when the apostle, Paul, (Sha'ul ha-sh'liach) was in Bithnyia looking in the direction of Macedonia across the river, (san) Bosporus.

For Brit-Am Reply see Mentor Below.

We know that the Cimmerians traversed Europe and settled along the way with the greatest concentrations according to ben David (Hully) putting down roots in Scandinavia, the Normandy coast of France, the Scottish highlands, Wales (Kymri) and Ireland.

It is no exaggeration to say that by the time Columbus was a late-comer to the shores named after Americus Vespucius 22 centuries later, the part of Ephraim contained in the subset called 'House of Israel' and identified as "Beit 'Omri" had long leavened the loaves of Europe. This means that through EUROPEAN colonization, Yair, and not only British colonization, that the mixed seed of Ephraim came to the Americas and every other place colonized by Europe.

For Brit-Am Reply see Europe Below.

You are correct on one of your criticisms. I do believe and still maintain that so long as you identify Ephraim and M'nashe as the U.S. and Britain, that a racist undertone is being promoted in your teachings. Indeed from some of the opposition I have encountered against Native American identity in M'nashe, the Brit-Am claim to Ephraim has been divisive. And remember too, how unpopular George H.W. and George W. Bush have made Americans elsewhere in the world.

For Brit-Am Reply see George Bush Below.

Further, Yair, if you will come off of this position and accept the coastal regions of the entire world as the sprinkling of Ephraim, the long prophesied Rov of Joseph (Ephraim) will materialize overnight making it possible for a nation to be born in one day.

Rather than continue this enmity between us, both of our energies are better spent this year warning of the curse coming on the U.S. because of the State Department's role in handing the territories of Joseph (Jacob's birthright) to the Palestinian occupiers called by Obadiah, "the House of Esau."

In 2008, which signals the beginning at least of the Return of the House of Joseph, is there a way Yair, that a Judah'ite and and Joe can agree on something so critical to the survival of millions?

I have made minor corrections (in uppercase green) in your email to me, which was received shortly before my father's death in 2006. I am sorry that I have not had the will, inclination, intestinal fortitude and witnessing Spirit to do this before now.

Shalom Shalom and Hashem's love & blessings,

mby

4. Dell Griffin on the Rampage
Dell Griffin sent us a long and detailed letter.
He requested that we print his letter in full or refer people to his web-site at:
http://www.torah-voice.org
First of all Dell Griffin has NOT retracted his treacherous attitude towards the "Anglo" descendants of Joseph in North America who he said were about to be punished by Mexicans and others he considers "true" Israelites.
This is nuts.
It is wicked and verges on the criminal.

YAIR, HAD YOU PRINTED MY REPLY AS I HAD ASKED, WHICH WAS A LOT SHORTER THAN YOUR INITIAL ATTACK AS I RECALL, THE BRIT AM PEOPLE WOULD REALIZE THAT I NEVER SAID ANGLOS WERE ABOUT TO BE PUNISHED BY MEXICANS AND OTHERS ... I SAID THAT THE SPIRITUAL SOVEREIGNY OF AMERICA WAS CHANGING FROM THE DOMINANCE OF THE ANGLOS TO THE DOMINANCE OF THE HISPANICS. I CAN ADD THAT THE RETURN OF THE HISPANICS TO "AZTLAN" WAS LONG FORETOLD BY THE HOPI AND THAT THE HOPI ARE BELIEVED TO BE DESCENDED FROM OR INTERMINGLED WITH THE PRIESTLY FAMILY OF TZADOK, (extra y chromosome is showing up in concentrations 30 times greater than from any known totally Jewish population samples), THE ROYAL FAMILY OF ZEDEKIAH (THROUGH MULEK), AND THE JOSEPHITE FAMILY OF LEHI BEN M'NASHE BEN YOSEIF.

Therefore we have little to relate to.
Dell has nothing to do with us and never did have and never wanted to.

YAIR, I HAD HOPED THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT WAS CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU CAME TO THE DEFENSE OF THE ANGLO-EXCLUSIVE EPHRAIM AND M'NASHE IDENTITY AT THE MEETING TO WHICH YOU INVITED ME TO SPEAK AT THE JERUSALEM HILTON ... AND I WAS ARRESTED AND IMPRISONED THE NEXT DAY, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT MY ARGUMENT FELL ON DEAF EARS.

IT HAS ALSO IRKED ME THAT YOU ARE SUCH A DO-NOTHING. YOU HAVE THIS MASSIVE FOLLOWING OF JOES AND COULD BE AN IMPORTANT VOICE IN CALLING FOR THE RETURN OF THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH. YET YOU GO AROUND LIKE AN ACADEMIC PEACOCK SUCKING A PROFESSORIAL PIPE, RAISING FUNDS TO PROMOTE YOUR NEXT BOOK WITH NO COMPASSION OR FEELING FOR THE JOES LIVING IN POVERTY AND OPPRESSION AROUND THIS GLOBE WAITING FOR SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY TO BRING THEM HOME.

For Brit-Am Reply see Hoppi Below.

In the past however Dell did present flashes of sanity
and held a position not far from our own.

THE NOTED EXCEPTION BEING BRIT-AM'S IDENTITY OF EPHRAIM AND M'NASHE.

He has since gone downhill.
He was however at one stage introducing others to an almost Brit-Am way of thinking.

WELL YAIR, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT I HAD YOU SOLD ON MY IDEA ABOUT THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH BEING A GLOBAL ROV AND IN THIS MANNER HALACHAH COULD BE FOLLOWED IN RETURNING THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH. BUT YOU PROVED ME WRONG AT THE MEETING.

There may have been some good at in his approach
as he formerly presented it and NOT as he now does.

MY APPROACH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME, BUT IT HAS BEEN CLARIFIED HERE AND THERE. I'M SORRY THAT YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CLARIFICATIONS AND WON'T EVEN CONSIDER THEM.

A few points he wished clarified include:

1) Dell says: <<The sanction for calling the "Joes" by the name "Joes" came from Rebbe Shani Dor (the Breslov Hasid Rav Yisrael Tzvi Yehudah Schneider)...>>

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR. MY FIRST DUTY IN ANY CONTROVERSY IS TO HONOR MY MENTOR IN SOME WAY AND HE CERTAINLY DESERVES THIS HONOR.

2. Dell says he has a kind of Divinely appointed sanction for the Tribes.
<<my smichah [approbation] as a maggid [Divine Announcer] or commission from the Torah codes to "find Israel" and "raise them up as servants">>

THE WAY YOU HAVE WORDED THIS IS CONFUSING AND MISLEADING. I NEVER CLAIMED ANY DIVINE SANCTION OF ANY KIND. I SIMPLY STATED THAT MY AUTHORITY CAME FROM SMICHAH BY THE REBBE SHANI-DOR, MY MENTOR FOR 14 YEARS AND THAT HE GAVE ME SMICHAH AS A MAGGID/MOCHIAH. PART OF THE ASSIGNED DUTY OF A MOCHIAH IS TO "DECLARE THE TRUTH" AND REPROOVE WRONG OR MISLEADING DOCTRINE. SO AGAIN, YAIR I REPROOVE THE RACIST DOCTRINE YOU ARE PROMOTING LIMITING EPHRAIM AND M'NASHE TO BRITISH COLONIZATION.

3) He recalls only one meeting with me in Jerusalem and not three as I remembered
but admits that due to the trauma he endured shortly afterwards he may be mistaken.

<<But because of the stress of those days and subsequent post traumatic stress for which I continue to be treated, I may have forgotten those earlier visits. If so, I would like you to remind me of their substance. >>

A SECOND VISIT COMES TO MIND WHEN I PASSED BY BUT DID NOT STAY AS YOU HAD PLENTY OF COMPANY WHILE YOU WERE SITTING SHIVA FOR YOUR FATHER IN JERUSALEM.

Answer:
I may be mistaken. Maybe I do not remember correctly as could happen.
Whether there was one meeting, or three, it does not matter.
How many meetings there were, they were very short and consisted of an exchange of pleasantries,
personal small talk, some general principles and no more than that.

4) Dell says:
<<I did assert quite vehemently in an email to my list of Joes that the message of Brit-Am limiting Ephraim and M'nashe to Britain and America and British and American colonies was racist. I maintain that position.>>

I STILL MAINTAIN THIS POSITION. FURTHER EUROPEANS SPRINKLED WITH EPHRAIM FOUGHT THE NATIVE AMERICANS WHO WERE ASSIMILATED INTO M'NASHE. BROTHER MASSACRED BROTHER. WHEN EPHRAIMITE-SPRINKLED EUROPEAN SETTLED AMERICA FOUGHT VIETNAM, CAMBODIA, BURMA, THAILAND, THE KOREAS AND PERHAPS EVEN JAPAN, AGAIN, EPRHAIM FOUGHT THE HOUSE OF M'NASHE WHO WENT EAST ALONG THE ANCIENT SOUTHERN CHINESE TRADE ROUTES -- ACCORDING TO RABBI AVICHAYIL.

For Brit-Am Reply see CHINESE Below.

CAN'T WE UNITE OUR ENERGIES, YAIR, TO PROMOTE THIS SIMPLE TRUTH, HELP JOES QUIT FIGHTING ONE ANOTHER AND GET ON WITH THE RECONCILIATION OF JOES AND JEWS?

5) Identifies Hopi, Aztecs, Chicano [Mexican?] as all one Israelite group and wants the Israelite Government to accept them as such and populate Samaria with them!!

IT IS TOO COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN IN ONE PARAGRAPH BUT IT IS ALL EXPLAINED IN DETAIL AT www.torah-voice.org (NOTE HYPHEN).

For Brit-Am Reply see Details Below.

6) The 500 families he was reported of wanting to convert
is based on a misunderstanding between himself and others.
There were no families and he did not want to convert them.

WRONG YAIR. THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY MORE FAMILIES BUT THEY DO NOT WANT TO CONVERT BECAUSE IN CONVERTING, WELL THAT'S ANOTHER THING BELOW. ALSO LET IT BE UNDERSTOOD THAT MY SMICHAH DID NOT ALLOW ME TO MAKE JEWISH CONVERTS. THOSE JOES WHO WANTED TO CONVERT -- WHO I DO NOT INCLUDE IN THE SOME 2, 520,760 JOES WHO ARE BEING MOBILIZED TO RETURN -- I ALWAYS HAVE DIRECTED TO AN ORTHODOX RABBI.

Beware: Dell quotes from Jewish sources and Jewish Law but almost invariably does so wrongly giving a false impression.

IF THERE ARE INSTANCES OR INFORMATION ON MY WEBSITE THAT ARE& INCORRECT OR IN OPPOSITION TO HALACHAH, THE READER NEED ONLY NOTIFY ME AND IT WILL BE CORRECTED AND I WILL STAND CORRECTED.

For instance he thinks that conversion to Judaism "robs them of their Yovel [Jubilee] inheritance".
No such thing or concept exists. Conversion to Judaism is an acceptance of religious obligations and does not reflect on Tribal affiliation.

IN MISHNAH MA'ASER SHENI, IT IS CLEARLY STATED THAT A "CONVERT" TO THE JEWISH FAITH HAS NO TZAHALT (INHERITANCE AT THE YEAR OF JUBILEE). AT ISSUE IS WHETHER JOES, FORCED TO REJOIN THE FAMILY OF ISRAEL BY CONVERSION TO THE JEWISH FAITH, ACCORDING TO THE MAJORITY VIEW OF THE RABBONIM, MAY VIOLATE THIS HALACHAH, HOLD ON TO A JOSEPHITE IDENTITY AND HAVE THEIR INHERITANCE AT THE YOVEL. TECHNICALLY, ACCORDING TO THIS HALACHAH, IF THEY CONVERT TO BECOME JEWISH, THEY MAY NOT. I STAND BY THIS INTERPRETATION, POINTED OUT TO ME BY THE LATE RABBI ABE RAICH, WHO HELPED ME DRAFT MY LETTER TO THE SANHEDRIN COURT ON THIS TOPIC. THE LETTER CAN BE SEEN ON MY WEBSITE.

For Brit-Am Reply see LATE RABBI Below.