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Why are you doing this for?
What i mean is if your goal is to be a part of restoring and bringing all Israel into Covenant with YHVH.......How did they do it before?
they did it without radio or tv or internet...what were they doing that laid the foundation for past returnings.
Maybe i missing something, but why is Ephraim talked about so much
and so little is put forth on the other tribes?
Duane M. Hiebert
Hello Yair-
What is your understanding of the 'golden calves' that Jereboam led the lost ten tribes into idolatry through. I understand that Jereboam had returned from Egypt and set up this system. The calf worship at Sinai seems to be the start of this thread but there does not seem to be biblical evidence of Israeli calf worship before the Sinai event. Since the Egyptians despised the "sheep men" that Jacobs family represented and consented to their dwelling in Goshen is there an ongoing thread here that spins down through the centuries to the rise of Ephraim and Manasseh wherein the English-Ephraim-John Bull carry on their half Egyptian heritage and then the American -Manasseh becomes the Cattle loving -cowboy mentality who actually persecute the 'sheep herders' in early USA western settlement?
If this is the case, Where would calf worship idolatry exist today in the lost ten? The idolatry of Egypt? Do you have any sources for this?
Great work you are doing and thank you so much for the free download of Koblers book. It is a fascinating read and verifies much of what the Elizabethan age English poets and authors had in their hearts.
Cheers ,
Owen
These golden calves had been set up by Jeroboam when he separated
the Northern Ten Tribes from the Kingdom of Judah.
Rashi says that Jehu maintained the calves for the same reason that Jeroboam had
set them up in the first place (2-Kings 12:26-29): The calves served as a
substitute for the worship of the Almighty in the Temple at Jerusalem. Jehu
like Jeroboam did not want the people going up to Jerusalem lest they be led to
seek a reunification with Judah.
Reunification would imply the whole of Israel being ruled over by the House of
David leaving Jehu and his connected dynasty superfluous.
[ Maybe the attempts of certain "Ephraimite" groups to deliberately distance
themselves from mainstream Yehudah emanate from a similar motivation? ]
Jehu may at first have related to the calves as a legitimate means of enhancing
and regulating worship of the Almighty.
The Calves were not necessary idolatrous at first.
In popular worship the Almighty may have been considered as represented by a
bull.
This is idolatry but it may have been derived from a mistake in terminology.
See Brit-Am Commentary to Psalms 132:5
http://britam.org/psalms/psalms132.html
Cf. The blessing of Jacob to Joseph:
[Genesis 49:24] BUT HIS BOW ABODE IN STRENGTH, AND THE ARMS OF HIS HANDS WERE
MADE STRONG BY THE HANDS OF THE MIGHTY GOD OF JACOB; (FROM THENCE IS THE
SHEPHERD, THE STONE OF ISRAEL:)
# THE MIGHTY GOD OF JACOB# In Hebrew "Abir Yaacov". "Abir" can mean both
"mighty one" and "great bull".
The expression could possibly (it is not so certain) have been understood to
mean "the Bull of Jacob" and to have been applied to God Himself!!
Rabbi Yehudah HaLevi (1075-1141 CE) in his work "The Kuzari" says that the
golden bull calves were intended to represent a means to reach the God of
Israel. Because they had been made without Divine Sanction it was considered as
if they were idols and later they did indeed take on idolatrous significance.
Commentators have suggested in both cases (the golden calf in the wilderness and
the golden calves of Jeroboam) that the initial intention was not necessarily
outright idolatry. It was rather an alternate means of serving the Almighty that
was not authorized by the Prophecy and that degenerated quickly. The golden calf
in the wilderness was not made to replace God but rather (at least at first) to
replace Moses. It was meant to be an intermediary (like Moses) between God and
people.
Exodus 32:
1 Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the
people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, Come, make us gods [Hebrew:
"elohim"]
that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of
the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.
2 And Aaron said to them, Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of
your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.? 3 So all the
people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them
to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with
an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
Then they said, This is your god [Hebrew: "eloheca"
i.e. your gods] , O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!
Note the words "elohim" translatable as either "god" or "gods"; and "eloheca"
i.e. your gods in the plural but also applicable in the singular.
These words can also mean "mighty ones" and may be applied to "angels" i.e.
divine intermediaries.
Notes in Exodus 32:1 above that the "gods" were meant to go before them in stead
of Moses who was presumed to have disappeared.
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