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No, you are not at my level
Brit-Am Replies:
OK, TG. I do not mind, just as long as I
do not have to sit next to you.
TG wrote:
There is no mysticism in the Torah, not even the Zohar.
The Greek word mystikos was borrowed from the Hebrew expression, like many others, with a loss of meaning and a lack of understanding of what its all about. It comes from mi shtei kos [Who Drinks from the Glass? A misspelling?] - a reference to shel yain [From Wine?].
Brit-Am Replies:
I do not know what you are quoting from
TG but it sounds like bad Hebrew or you have inadvertently omitted words or misspelt them?
TG wrote:
What exactly that means I'm not going into,
Brit-Am Replies:
Natually
TG. You are being mysterious and supercilious as usual.
TG wrote:
but the Ancient Greeks completely failed to grasp the Jewish way of thinking and expressing ideas. Over the millennial span of the past the confusion persisted and was added to until all original meaning was completely lost. As of now the idea of Kaballah as "Jewish mysticism" is something that makes no sense what so ever, and has been built into something that is completely devoid of the original purpose with which it was imbued.
Brit-Am Replies:
TG, I am concerned for you. We brought
up the word mystery because your intentions and terms of reference suddenly
turned mysterious.
You jumped on the word and assumed we were appealing to "mysticism" as an
authoritative source for Brit-Am beliefs. This we have not done.
Yair
Davidiy,
personally, does believe in Jewish Mysticism but does not occupy himself with it.
It has nothing to with Brit-Am, the Lost Ten Tribes Movement, though it could
well confirm Brit-Am beliefs. You brought it up. We did not.
It has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
You present yourself as an Orthodox Believing Jew and speak to us as if we are
not quite Kosher. You however are the one who implied that the Sages (in
Midrash
Tanchuma)
had been mislead due to Greek pagan influence. Now you are denying
Kabbalah
and Jewish tradition. You also choose to ignore the Talmudic Commentary that you
yourself quoted from and the Rabbinical Commentaries we referred to.
You seem to believe in some kind of Judaism without Jews?
TG wrote:
You do not give 'what exits', [i.e. exists] but what you manage to piece together. Whatever truth there is in the world is derived only from the Torah. However, your 'analysis' is almost completely devoid of Torah she ba'al'peh [Torah Derived from the Oral Law], and without that its not possible to understand TaNaKh from which you so freely quote.
There were many claims by Christian monarchs who begun to make claims to their birthright links to Jewish monarchs in the early period of conversion of the Europeans to this form of idolatry to link themselves to [the Christian Messiah] because the Church claimed he was related to David HaMelekh [The King]. This persisted into the Renaissance when increasingly claims of European Jewishness were made, but as part of the desire to usurp the claim of Jews to being the Chosen Nation.
Brit-Am Replies:
Tell me more TG.
We are interested in any claims "of European
Jewishness"
that were made.
We know that the Irish, Finnish, Swedes, Danes, Dutch (of
Frissia),
expressly made such claims in at least one of their sources. Amongst others such
as the English, Scottish, Welsh, French, Goths, there are strong indications
that such beliefs were also once held.
We know that more beliefs in Israelite Origin were held than we have recorded
and would like to know about them.
You probably do not have such information and may be bluffing as is your wont.
On the other hand even if you did have such information you would be loath to
give it to us because you have a nasty selfish streak in you which is unbecoming
to a scholar.
TG wrote:
It is from this that the theory of Europeans as 'the lost tribes' was born, and that you picked up on. However, there was little proof for this because there was a competitive idea of European supremacy based on the ideas of Ancient idolatry (mythology) emanating from Scandinavia and mostly Sweden. This begun with the supremacy of the Swedes under Gustavus Adolphus, and reached its peak in the later part fo the 19th century when it became the genesis of virulent Antisemitism in France and later Germany.
At least four naviim [Prophets] speak of the enemy coming from the north, but most, like yourself, assumed it was Germany or Soviet Union. In fact the enemy was far more insidious, providing the ideology that for centuries sought to exterminate the very idea of Torah in the minds of Europeans while remaining seemingly innocent. Shechita [Jewish Ritual Animal Slaughter] was forbidden in Sweden and Norway before it was forbidden in Nazi Germany, and both countries, as well as Iceland, still forbid it. The other countries that forbid shechita are Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania (the last in Europe to convert to Christianity); Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Needless to say Finland was one of the most active supporters of Nazi war effort during WW2 and the Baltic states committed war crimes against Jews, and were first among the other nations in recruiting for the Waffen SS. Switzerland, that claimed to have helped many Jews to escape Germany, was later revealed to have been the banker to the war criminals, holding in its territory many funds and much property stolen from the Jews of Europe.
Brit-Am Replies:
You have a point in part TG, but only in
part. Finland was an ally of Germany in WW2 because she had been attacked by
Russia. This was after the outbreak of World War 2 before Russia entered the
war. At that stage Russia was an ally of Germany and they had just divided
Poland between them. Churchill at the time was strongly in favor of attacking
Russia on behalf of Finland even though Britain was already at war with Germany.
He did not. Germany ended up attacking Russia which suddenly became our ally
even though its conflict with Finland had not been resolved. The Finns had
allowed eight [or eleven?] of its Jewish citizens to be taken by the Germans. They were
killed. The Finnish public was outraged. Marshall
Mannerheim,
head of the Finnish Forces, threatened to use the Finnish Army against the
Germans if any more of the Jews of Finland were victimized. Later the Finns
established the Kibbutz, Gan
HaShemoneh
(Garden of the Eight), in Israel
in memory of the eight Jews from Finland who had been taken.
Concerning the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), Brit-Am does not
count them amongst the nations who may be defined as Israelite.
Concerning Switzerland, there really was and still is much anti-Semitism. The
situation however is not so black and white. Switzerland alongside anti-Jewish
actions and sentiments also has a pro-Jewish pro-Israeli tradition that has been
more important than is realized.
[TG Quotes from Brit-Am]
"I think you are obnoxious TG because you are offensive, insulting, and criminally irresponsible in your statements."
TG wrote:
Brit-Am Replies:lol....you are bombastic :)
Insulting someone in public is assur d'oriter [Forbidden by the Torah], and yet, you, a self-claimed orthodox Jew had no qualms in doing so though I never asked you to publish my emails to you. Whether anyone else knows my true name is immaterial.
I [i.e. TG] "said worse things about our humble poor benighted selves and we published them."?
TG wrote:
...oh spare me the theatrics lol. Why do you keep referring to yourself in plural? Do you know that benighted means "1. lacking cultural, moral, or intellectual enlightenment; ignorant"?
Brit-Am Replies:
There we go again.
[TG Quoting Brit-Am]
"Brit-Am has done much good in many, many ways."
TG wrote:
- like what? And don't tell me that you have brought to light that Scots are related to Yosef HaTzadik [Joseph the Rightous] :)
Brit-Am Replies:
Well they are. The Scottish and other
peoples from the British Isles including their offshoots overseas are to a
Biblically significant degree descended from Joseph. Bringing this fact to
public attention is a great and noble endeavor for which you should be grateful.
[TG Quoting Brit-Am]
"First of all it is the truth."
TG wrote:
- 1. truth - a fact that has been verified - it seems to me that you have a way to go in verifying your many falsifiable statements (Philos. designating or of a statement, theory, etc. that is so formulated as to permit empirical testing and, therefore, can be shown to be false) There is no critical examination anywhere in your website of your one book that I have, and you would not allow critical examination of even one aspect of your assertions which ought to have been approached from a more critical point of view, if even for logical reasons. The statement that you make is therefore not worth the keystrokes used to write it, hence I copy and pasted it :) Fell insulted? Let me tell you that when I read your website, I feel my intelligence insulted at every page.
Brit-Am Replies:
But you keep coming back, do you not TG?
Time and time again. Are you a masochist?
If you think we are wrong show us where.
We publish criticisms and answer them. If you have a valid argument we will post
it. If on some detail or other we have made a mistake we will admit it.
What are you afraid of?
TG wrote:
Since it is only 'truth' based on your pronouncement of it as such, how it affects many other people is best described by lifnei iver lo sitten michshol [Before a blind man do not place a stumbling-block].
[TG Quoting Brit-Am]
"The Almighty reveals HIMSELF in the Bible."?
TG wrote:
No, He reveals it in the Torah - b'ktav [Written] and b'al'peh [Oral Law i.e. transmitted by tradition]. For every statement made from the former, you need at least three from the later. Then, maybe, you will start to understand.
Brit-Am Replies:
Is this something new TG? A new
doctrine? You have insulted the Sages and the Oral Tradition yet still keep
coming back with assertions in their name but which they would not have agreed
with.
TG wrote:
However, I think you are by now so convinced that every part of your theory is unquestionably true that you are incapable of being honest with yourself. TG
Brit-Am Replies:
At the beginning TG this was all
entertaining. Your antics were amusing. We benefited from sparring with you and
the audience enjoyed it. Now however, you must be getting tired. Your
performance is deteriorating. Shape up lest it be necessary to close the
exhibition down.
Truth is what is true and such is the Brit-Am Message.
Continued in Round Seven.
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